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General Christ - our example
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Petunia, consider that Abraham is called by Paul the father of the faithful and that Christians are of the same faith as Abraham. Now Abraham lived 400 years before Moses, 400 years before the law was given. Abraham was never under the law and it was told to him by GOD that from him a seed would come in which all the nations of the earth would be blessed. Abrahams faith was counted as righteousness when as yet the law did not exist which proves righteousness is not of the law. Now GOD in Isaiah 53:11 , Romans 5:18,19 , 2 Corinthians 5:21 , 1 John 2:1 and many more scriptures call Jesus righteous, this could not be so if he had been under the law, Galatians 2:21 . How long was Jesus righteous? Would he not be righteous as long as GOD was his GOD ? The prophet says this, Psalm 22:10 When GOD brought Jesus into the world HE said, let all GODS angels worship him. Hebrews 1:6. The law is not made for a righteous man. 1 Timothy 1:9 Why was the law even given ? Galatians 3:19 Jesus was the promised seed of Abraham. Then Hebrews says, Hebrews 13:8 while in his mothers womb, as a child then as a man and finally as a glorified life giving spirit at GODS right hand Jesus Christ, the righteous, has never changed. John 1:17 Moses was the mediator of the old covenant but Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. Jesus was the new covenant in the flesh, Isaiah 42:6 Isaiah 49:6 Simeon testified as well as Anna the prophetess about Jesus when he was just a baby. Luke 2:25-38 . When the scriptures were written there was no such thing as punctuation, no commas. Whoever placed those commas in Galatians 4:4 was probably not a Christian. Look, Colossians 1:19 Hebrews 1:3 describes how GOD created HIS son. The law is the very thing that condemns all to death and Jesus came to save us from this, did he need to save himself first before he could save others or was he never under that law that condemns us in the first place. Jesus even provided the hope of salvation to his mother, who was born under the law.
If anyone is born under the law the letter of the law kills, it is the spirit that gives life. If Jesus was indeed the new covenant in the flesh, as a human soul, then there should be something in scripture that says that.
Isaiah 53:5,10 Isaiah 42:6 John 1:17 Isaiah 49:6,8 Jesus on many occasions violated the law by not performing the works of the law. Jesus fulfilled the law with agape that was present in Jesus in all the fullness of his GODS spirit. We as Christians do the same thing, we do not attempt to keep the law but rely on GODS spirit in us that gives us GODS agape. Jesus did indeed violate the law and so do Christians but the penalty was paid for us by Christ who is our Passover as we pass from one covenant into another. Since the law came by Moses until this very day all people are born under the law. Only in Christ is it possible to escape the old covenant to come into the new. Therefore neither Jesus or those in him are under the law. To truly be under the law you must swear an oath, keep all 613 commandments in the Torah which includes; sacrifices and offerings, paying three tithes, keeping the kosher food laws, circumcising, not touching dead bodies or eating with gentiles.
Jesus violated nearly all these laws. Joseph and Mary, both born under the law, kept all the law said and conformed to those laws that applied to the birth of a son. Jesus did not follow this, he was an infant, it was Joseph and Mary that did this. The virgin birth separated Jesus from Adam because his real FATHER was GOD ALMIGHTY. Jesus was separate from sinners because he was not under the law that condemned them to death.
Isaiah 53:5,10 Isaiah 42:6 John 1:17 Isaiah 49:6,8 Jesus on many occasions violated the law by not performing the works of the law. Jesus fulfilled the law with agape that was present in Jesus in all the fullness of his GODS spirit. We as Christians do the same thing, we do not attempt to keep the law but rely on GODS spirit in us that gives us GODS agape. Jesus did indeed violate the law and so do Christians but the penalty was paid for us by Christ who is our Passover as we pass from one covenant into another. Since the law came by Moses until this very day all people are born under the law. Only in Christ is it possible to escape the old covenant to come into the new. Therefore neither Jesus or those in him are under the law. To truly be under the law you must swear an oath, keep all 613 commandments in the Torah which includes; sacrifices and offerings, paying three tithes, keeping the kosher food laws, circumcising, not touching dead bodies or eating with gentiles.
Jesus violated nearly all these laws. Joseph and Mary, both born under the law, kept all the law said and conformed to those laws that applied to the birth of a son. Jesus did not follow this, he was an infant, it was Joseph and Mary that did this. The virgin birth separated Jesus from Adam because his real FATHER was GOD ALMIGHTY. Jesus was separate from sinners because he was not under the law that condemned them to death.
No human being except Jesus will ever attain the stature and fullness of Jesus until our change comes, when we are born into the kingdom of GOD. This is when as Peter said we will partake of the divine nature, 2 Peter 1:4 , this is a promise from GOD to HIS church, HIS elect saints. We must shed this flesh, 1 Corinthians 15:50 Just as Jesus had a body prepared for him, Hebrews 10:5 , we have bodies prepared for us , 2 Corinthians 5:1 Anyone preaching glorified flesh has no clue at all, anyone preaching Jesus is a potential sinner has no clue at all. It is no wonder that in that day Jesus will say, Matthew 7:23
I do have thoughts about this whole thread, in my view; I have questions.
The one thing that is not answered for me, so still falls under "sticky note", is how scripture looks at the culture back when Yeshua was a child that claims that there comes an age when a child is now responsible for adult behavior. Yeshua loved the children and issued warnings about causing a child who believe in Him to sin.
In the society when Yeshua was a child, the age of 13 for males was the age of majority. I wonder how the idea of imputed sinfulness came into effect. I do not really know. I have often wondered whether that cultural practice had anything to do with assigning or not-assigning blame for the time that Yeshua remained behind in Jerusalem when HIs parents started back to Bethlehem. He was not under the law but the New Covenant manifested.
Our scripture said Yeshua "knew no sin." So, the thing that I have pondered is:
Was Yeshua sinless because He was still under the Age of Majority or because he was not under the Law. These passages in scripture provide the reason for my thoughts:
1 Peter 2:22 who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth;
2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
1 John 3:5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot
Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
No matter the reason, we still arrive at His sinlessness and thus being the Perfect Lamb.
Thoughts?
The one thing that is not answered for me, so still falls under "sticky note", is how scripture looks at the culture back when Yeshua was a child that claims that there comes an age when a child is now responsible for adult behavior. Yeshua loved the children and issued warnings about causing a child who believe in Him to sin.
In the society when Yeshua was a child, the age of 13 for males was the age of majority. I wonder how the idea of imputed sinfulness came into effect. I do not really know. I have often wondered whether that cultural practice had anything to do with assigning or not-assigning blame for the time that Yeshua remained behind in Jerusalem when HIs parents started back to Bethlehem. He was not under the law but the New Covenant manifested.
Our scripture said Yeshua "knew no sin." So, the thing that I have pondered is:
Was Yeshua sinless because He was still under the Age of Majority or because he was not under the Law. These passages in scripture provide the reason for my thoughts:
1 Peter 2:22 who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth;
2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
1 John 3:5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot
Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
No matter the reason, we still arrive at His sinlessness and thus being the Perfect Lamb.
Thoughts?
Jesus was sinless because his FATHER created him that way. Jesus had a human spirit that was symbolized by the Passover lamb, 1 Peter 1:19
Jesus had no sin because he was created in the image of GODS character, the express image as Hebrews 1:3 says. It was against the nature of Christ to sin. When you and I are born into the kingdom we will be incapable of sin, Jesus demonstrated this to us, this is the stature and fullness we must measure up to, but as long as we are in the flesh we cannot please GOD, we must be changed. Romans 8:8 1 Corinthians 15:50 Jesus was created with the divine nature we hope to acquire when born into the kingdom. We are recreated to be in the image of Jesus who was created in the image of GOD.
Jesus had no sin because he was created in the image of GODS character, the express image as Hebrews 1:3 says. It was against the nature of Christ to sin. When you and I are born into the kingdom we will be incapable of sin, Jesus demonstrated this to us, this is the stature and fullness we must measure up to, but as long as we are in the flesh we cannot please GOD, we must be changed. Romans 8:8 1 Corinthians 15:50 Jesus was created with the divine nature we hope to acquire when born into the kingdom. We are recreated to be in the image of Jesus who was created in the image of GOD.