General When MLK gave up his guns

[LeeB]

Another thought about King David. Psalm 51:11 confirms that David had Gods Holy Spirit, he was also a prophet. David was a Christian and part of the root of the olive tree in Romans 11:16-18 , which is the entire church of God before and after Christ. Recall when David killed Goliath, he did not repent to God about that killing but Psalm 51 is a Psalm of repentance over David’s adultery with Bathsheba and the murder of her husband Uriah. Why did David only repent about Uriah but not Goliath?

The taking of the life of an evil man was not sin but the killing of a man for evil reason is murder. While God did forgive David of the murder of Uriah was a black mark on David. 1 Kings 15:5 . Also consider the killing of the prophets of Baal by Elijah, 1 Kings 18:40 . There is a great difference between killing and murder. Ecclesiastes 8:11 , capital punishment is approved by God. Self defense is approved too. I have prayed that I would never be in a situation where I would have to kill but if I were I would pray that God would be with me to give me the victory over evil. I would not need to repent over a just killing because it is not a sin just as David did not need to repent over killing Goliath or Elijah the prophets of Baal. God and Jesus do nothing evil, everything they do is of agape love, even killing evil people to end not just their suffering but that which they cause to others. Matthew 10:28 Those people who do not understand these things and call killing and murder the same ignorantly make themselves more righteous than God or Christ. It is possible to kill because you love the one you kill? God does this and so will Jesus and the glorified saints. It will be like killing a pet that develops rabies. When people sin because they like it and have no remorse or guilt being wicked to the core laughing at the idea of repenting, this is the type of people God, Jesus and the saints will kill to put them out of their rabid evil suffering. In my life I have seen people who are as I described above. I have had literal fist fights with some because I had to either defend myself or others from these evil types.

I did not want to fight I was forced to but it was for a loving and Nobel reason not an evil one. Those who preach and teach people that violence and killing are always wrong are spiritually immature because there is indeed a time for everything under the sun. Ecclesiastes 3:3

 

[Lori Jane]

Those people who do not understand these things and call killing and murder the same ignorantly make themselves more righteous than God or Christ.

I do see scripturally where God has sanctioned killing under certain circumstances.

It will be like killing a pet that develops rabies.
When people sin because they like it and have no remorse or guilt being wicked to the core laughing at the idea of repenting, this is the type of people God, Jesus and the saints will kill to put them out of their rabid evil suffering.

I know our heavenly father wants all to repent but to be just to those who have been obedient he will need to remove (kill) those that don't. Every opportunity will be afforded.

 

[LeeB]

I believe it saddens God greatly. Ezekiel 33:11 , Ezekiel 18:32
God has a universal principle, whatever a man sows that shall he also reap. God has set for us a standard, Jesus HIS son, HE will accept nothing less. As long as we are willing and obedient to the gospel message GOD will change our body and spirit to match the standard.

 

[Bvenski]

Jesus said, John 18:36 , David wrote Psalm 149:1-9 , Abraham did what ? Genesis 14:15-17 , David, a man after Gods own heart, 1Samuel 18:7 .

It is the thought and intent of the heart that determines good from evil. Taking a life in evil is murder, in good is killing. Self defense or defense of others is good even it it requires killing. God will kill the souls of the encourageable in the lake of fire because HE loves them and will not permit them to live in such a condition. God said if a man sheds blood by man his blood shall be shed. This means a murderer should be killed.

To kill is not murder, yes both end a life but one for good cause and the other for evil. To be evil and unrepentant is to live a tortured life of spiritual wickedness, both God and Jesus along with the saints will in mercy end their existence because they love them. It is similar to putting any animal out of misery that is injured beyond hope of recovery.

I reread my posts on this one here. I was on a roll, borderline ranting, ha. The point I was trying to drive home was that self defense, with weapons, is not evil. It just can't be.

It can't be evil when a police officer drops a mass shooter, with lead, who has murdered innocent people and was still attempting to murder more.

It can't be evil when a husband exchanges gunfire, in the middle of the night, with a home invader who is attempting to murder him & his family.

Are the police officer and husband supposed to go up to these evil doers and say, "Now please put your gun down. You are violating the commandment to do no murder."?

 

[Bvenski]

Those people who do not understand these things and call killing and murder the same ignorantly make themselves more righteous than God or Christ.

Those who preach and teach people that violence and killing are always wrong are spiritually immature because there is indeed a time for everything under the sun. Ecclesiastes 3:3

☝ Now that is cutting right to the chase.

 

[LeeB]

King David repented over his adultery with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah in Psalm 51 but did he repent over killing Goliath?

 

[LeeB]

I reread my posts on this one here. I was on a roll, borderline ranting, ha. The point I was trying to drive home was that self defense, with weapons, is not evil. It just can't be.

It can't be evil when a police officer drops a mass shooter, with lead, who has murdered innocent people and was still attempting to murder more.

It can't be evil when a husband exchanges gunfire, in the middle of the night, with a home invader who is attempting to murder him & his family.

Are the police officer and husband supposed to go up to these evil doers and say, "Now please put your gun down. You are violating the commandment to do no murder."?

Paul said they do not bear the sword in vain.

 

[benadam1974]

King David repented over his adultery with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah in Psalm 51 but did he repent over killing Goliath?

Under the Old Covenant killing was sanctioned by God Himself, as @Lori Jane said.
For example, in Deut 20:17 God commands “holy wars”; in Ex 22:2 God commands lethal self-defense, etc.
But under the New Covenant Jesus offers mercy instead: John 7; Jesus says “love your enemies”: Mat 5.38-39; Jesus says “pray” for them: Luke 6.28-29; Jesus “rebukes” the sword: Mat 26.52.

 

[LeeB]

Isaiah 66:16 , Jeremiah 25:31 , Luke 12:5 , Exodus 22:18 , Romans 12:18
Sin is something that remains the same in both covenants, The Apostle Jacob says , James 4:17 , is it good or evil to defend a loved one or stranger from an evil man? Or should we do nothing ? No Christian should desire in their spirit to harm or kill but rather pray that God would never allow them to be in such a situation. However if God did allow the Christian should pray for God to give them the victory over evil. Romans 13:3-4 , the police today protect themselves from evil men with violence and killing but this is not murder. If police are Gods servants and we are Gods servants will God hold one guilty and the other innocent? 1 Peter 2:13-15 , Isaiah 1:17 . Love is a verb. Love requires action not empty words. If you love you will protect from harm, from evil. Luke 11:21 , Psalm 82:4 . This is a personal matter of conscience and each one must be fully convinced in their own mind as to the proper course of action.

 

[LeeB]

God judges us by the thoughts and intents of the heart. What caused me to kill, was it because I enjoy killing or did love for someone motivate me ? Did I kill because I want to live and not be murdered.