General Preexistence undermines the humanity of Jesus

[benadam1974]

By carlos@thehumanjesus.org

The humanity of Jesus is so important that Paul warns “if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed” (2Cor 11:4) or “a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you” (Gal 1:8) they run the risk of putting themselves under a curse!
As the late prominent Finnish scholar Raisanen put it:

“The farther one moves from the Jewish-messianic roots of Christology, the more the humanity of Jesus fades.”

I think the reason the NT emphasizes the humanity of the Messiah, via “the Son of Man,” is to take us back to the most quoted and alluded to OT verse: Dan 7.13! Many have seen and heard the echoes to this verse and another favorite OT verse, Dan 7:14.
Again, note the first part of John 5:27a:

“And he [God] gave him [son of man] authority…”

With the first part of Dan 7:14:

“And authority was given to him [son of man]…”

The 2nd part of John 5:27b tells you why:

“Because he is son of man [i.e., a human being].”

The same figure is so identified in Dan 7:13.
This famous prophecy from Daniel is also at the center of Jesus’ teaching regarding “the sign of the parousia,” that is “the end of the [present evil] age” in Matthew 24.

 

[LeeB]

To be human you must be a soul, a body joined with a human spirit. The soul of Jesus was the sacrifice for sin. The prophets describe Jesus as Gods righteous servant, Gods salvation, Gods son, that the rule and reign of Jesus was a surety and that Jesus would not fail. All these things were possible only because of the power of the God of Jesus. God became the God of Jesus in Mary's womb, not before as Jesus did not exist until God formed (created) him in his mother's womb.

 

[LeeB]

To be human you must be a soul, a body joined with a human spirit. The soul of Jesus was the sacrifice for sin. The prophets describe Jesus as Gods righteous servant, Gods salvation, Gods son, that the rule and reign of Jesus was a surety and that Jesus would not fail. All these things were possible only because of the power of the God of Jesus. God became the God of Jesus in Mary's womb, not before as Jesus did not exist until God formed (created) him in his mother's womb.

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[LeeB]

It is important to consider things that remove the humanity from Jesus and realize why , then as GODS spirit guides us discard all such nonsense.
There is another side to this issue; making Jesus too human. Jesus was the demonstration spiritually to us of what we must grow into, be recreated or transformed into. The image of Christ as Christ was the image of GOD is what we are to become. All of this has nothing to do with the physical, it is all spiritual. We need to develop the mind, the spirit, the heart of Christ to be in the kingdom of GOD . The man Jesus was sealed in GODS righteousness and love. Jesus demonstrated these GODLY qualities that he was created with by his FATHER to us. Spiritually Jesus was far above us but if we try to make him like us then we miss the mark. Jesus had none of the human weaknesses that we do but he could definitely understand them and relate to us as he experienced all manner of things that we do, YET WITHOU SIN. We seem to forget the yet without sin part. This means that how we react and think of our own weaknesses can in no way be transferred to Jesus. Jesus never ever had even the thought of sin let alone the actions or words that thoughts give birth to. Did not Jesus come to save us, does he not destroy the works of the devil ? Certain bad translations and long held incorrect ideas actually insult Jesus and assassinate his GODLY character of righteousness and love. It is possible to make Jesus too human and not human at all. Both of these are wrong ideas

 

[LeeB]

Preexistence denies humanity because humans have not preexisted and if Jesus was human the he could not have preexisted. GOD ordained that since Adam messed up things a second Adam has to clean up the mess, a human caused the problem a human had to fix it.