General Letting go of "Logos"

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A Scripture that the insight book identifies with a literal pre-human Jesus is Psalms 8:22, ( Im agnostic regarding Christ's Pre-existence, there are other proof texts possibly regarding a pre-human Jesus, but for im focusing on John 1 & Psalms 8) and yet don't fully realize the personification of Wisdom is figurative in a similar sense to the Holy sprit. Both the NWT and reference remove the feminine personification of Wisdom and use a neuter "it" in Psalms 8-9 and likewise in Luke 7:35 and Matthew 11:19 again both render wisdom with a neuter "it", obscuring the link

Likewise in John 1:1 which they link with Psalms 8, the word or "logos" is understood as the literal pre-human Jesus. This puts them in a situation where either Christ is the Yahweh the Father or at least part of some theoretical trinity. To resolve this the NWT renders John 1:1 as "the Word was a god", preventing any readings figurative of "Logos" and, affirming Christ as a sort of second lower god like many earlier proto-trinitarian and arian subordinationists. Likewise a similar rendering is taken at John 1:18 "the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him" similar to most modern bibles which use a earlier Greek manuscript then the KJV and other older English bibles user, however most early Christian writings seem to make use of later Greek manuscripts which say "the only begotten Son" as rendered by the KJV. (https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/john-1-18)

Another reference is reading John's Letter where we see the term "logos" used in a very simalar figurative sense in around the same he wrote his gospel. There is no mention of Christ or The word as a sort of "lesser god" or part a trinity, nor a modelist "Jesus is just Yahweh".
 
Hebrews 1:2 is how Jesus is the logos. Jesus spoke what his FATHER gave him to speak. John 12:49 Also a true human is a soul, combined body and spirit. Jesus had to be a man, a human, a soul. Jesus could not have been truly human if he was both GOD and man or angel and man. No other human has ever been a combination of these things and Jesus had to be just like us, a human. Hebrews 2:17 Jesus was only a prophetic figure in the old covenant writings, the promised messiah. GOD was not the GOD of Jesus until he was in his mothers womb. Psalm 22:9,10 This indicates that Jesus had a beginning in his mother’s womb. As a side note it also proves that a fetus has a GOD and that GOD sees the fetus as a person. Jesus was an Elohim, a god, Strongs article # H 430 and this is the destiny of Christians when in the kingdom. Psalm 82:6 John 10:34 Psalm 82:1 Micah 4:4,5 There are many articles written on this forum dealing with the questions you are seeking answers about. Welcome to Simply Christian.
 
Jesus is Yeshua not YAHWEH. Jesus prayed to YAHWEH, his GOD and FATHER. Jesus was a prophecy in the writings of the old covenant. YAHWEH was the GOD of Jesus from his mother’s womb not before. To truly be human one cannot have existed in eternity. When Satan tempted Jesus, Satan knew Jesus was not GOD, GOD cannot be tempted with evil. James 1:13 What Satan did not know is that the son of GOD could not be tempted with evil either but he found this out.

Throughout the scriptures Jesus is called a man, never GOD or angel . Since sin and death came by a man the resurrection of the dead came BY A MAN. 1 Corinthians 15:21,22 If Christians are to be transformed into the same image as Jesus this certainly doesn’t mean we will become YAHWEH. 2 Corinthians 3:18 John 17:21 John 10:30 In these verses the “one” Jesus speaks of isn’t Jesus as YAHWEH, it is speaking about unity in love and righteousness that Jesus was already one with his GOD and that the saints MAY one with YAHWEH and Yeshua. John 14:20 How could Jesus be the mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MEN if he was Yahweh , YAHWEH would be the mediator , not Jesus. Jesus, Yeshua, had a GOD and it was his FATHER as well as our GOD and FATHER. John 20:17 If Jesus was YAHWEH he would be his own GOD and son. It’s like saying, I’m my own grandpa.
 
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