General Letting go of "Logos"

Cospaia

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A Scripture that the insight book identifies with a literal pre-human Jesus is Psalms 8:22, ( Im agnostic regarding Christ's Pre-existence, there are other proof texts possibly regarding a pre-human Jesus, but for im focusing on John 1 & Psalms 8) and yet don't fully realize the personification of Wisdom is figurative in a similar sense to the Holy sprit. Both the NWT and reference remove the feminine personification of Wisdom and use a neuter "it" in Psalms 8-9 and likewise in Luke 7:35 and Matthew 11:19 again both render wisdom with a neuter "it", obscuring the link

Likewise in John 1:1 which they link with Psalms 8, the word or "logos" is understood as the literal pre-human Jesus. This puts them in a situation where either Christ is the Yahweh the Father or at least part of some theoretical trinity. To resolve this the NWT renders John 1:1 as "the Word was a god", preventing any readings figurative of "Logos" and, affirming Christ as a sort of second lower god like many earlier proto-trinitarian and arian subordinationists. Likewise a similar rendering is taken at John 1:18 "the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him" similar to most modern bibles which use a earlier Greek manuscript then the KJV and other older English bibles user, however most early Christian writings seem to make use of later Greek manuscripts which say "the only begotten Son" as rendered by the KJV. (https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/john-1-18)

Another reference is reading John's Letter where we see the term "logos" used in a very simalar figurative sense in around the same he wrote his gospel. There is no mention of Christ or The word as a sort of "lesser god" or part a trinity, nor a modelist "Jesus is just Yahweh".
 

LeeB

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Hebrews 1:2 is how Jesus is the logos. Jesus spoke what his FATHER gave him to speak. John 12:49 Also a true human is a soul, combined body and spirit. Jesus had to be a man, a human, a soul. Jesus could not have been truly human if he was both GOD and man or angel and man. No other human has ever been a combination of these things and Jesus had to be just like us, a human. Hebrews 2:17 Jesus was only a prophetic figure in the old covenant writings, the promised messiah. GOD was not the GOD of Jesus until he was in his mothers womb. Psalm 22:9,10 This indicates that Jesus had a beginning in his mother’s womb. As a side note it also proves that a fetus has a GOD and that GOD sees the fetus as a person. Jesus was an Elohim, a god, Strongs article # H 430 and this is the destiny of Christians when in the kingdom. Psalm 82:6 John 10:34 Psalm 82:1 Micah 4:4,5 There are many articles written on this forum dealing with the questions you are seeking answers about. Welcome to Simply Christian.