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To be baptized into Christ is to accept his authority and truth above all else—not one's own reasoning, nor the inherited beliefs of family, tradition, or religious institutions. It is a surrender, a pledge of allegiance to the person of Jesus and to the message he embodied. This kind of discipleship is not symbolic conformity but a decisive reorientation of life. It marks true belonging to Christ, and over time, it compels the believer to confront and measure every doctrine, practice, and tradition against the truth revealed in him. When these inherited structures diverge from the teachings of Jesus, the disciple faces a moment of decision—a crossroads where allegiance to Christ may demand separation from one’s birth religion or theological heritage. These moments are not merely theological but deeply personal and often costly. Yet through them, the disciple enters more fully into the yoke of Christ, and in that submission, discovers freedom—the kind that only truth can give.

Religious systems throughout history have often been structured more for preserving communal identity than for cultivating a direct, personal relationship with God. As a result, the concept of divinity has frequently been abstracted—bound up in metaphysics, rituals, and institutional authority—rather than grounded in the lived, relational dynamic modeled by Jesus. The gospel of Christ reveals a different kind of divinity: one defined not by ontological claims, but by perfect obedience, sinlessness, and total submission to the Father. Jesus never claimed to be God the Father. Instead, he consistently acknowledged his dependence on God and his commission from God. His divinity, as presented especially in passages like John 10, is one of status and function—granted by the Father, not self-derived. When John writes, “the Word was with God,” he refers to God the Father. And when he says, “the Word was God,” the intent is not metaphysical equivalence, but ministerial divinity—a reflection of divine agency and commission.

This Word became flesh—not in some superhuman form, but in the full likeness of humanity. Jesus was made like his brothers and sisters in every way, except without sin. His life is the revelation of God not because he claimed equality with God in essence, but because he perfectly embodied God's will. He is the living example of what it means to be fully human under God’s authority. His teachings, his submission, and his moral perfection constitute the model of divine-human relationship. In this light, true worship is not adherence to an abstract doctrine of God but a life shaped by the truth Jesus revealed and lived.

Therefore, discipleship to Christ is a call to discernment. It requires that each believer test every spiritual inheritance—creeds, traditions, and dogmas—by the standard of Jesus’ words and example. This is not rebellion, but faithfulness; not relativism, but allegiance to the one who is the way, the truth, and the life. To follow Christ is to bear his yoke, which is easy not because it demands little, but because it liberates from the weight of deception, religious pretense, and misplaced authority. In him, the believer finds both clarity and courage—the clarity to see truth and the courage to follow it, even when it costs everything else.

Stephen D Green with ChatGPT
 
Therefore, discipleship to Christ is a call to discernment. It requires that each believer test every spiritual inheritance—creeds, traditions, and dogmas—by the standard of Jesus’ words and example. This is not rebellion, but faithfulness; not relativism, but allegiance to the one who is the way, the truth, and the life. To follow Christ is to bear his yoke, which is easy not because it demands little, but because it liberates from the weight of deception, religious pretense, and misplaced authority. In him, the believer finds both clarity and courage—the clarity to see truth and the courage to follow it, even when it costs everything else.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I will add a disciple of Christ to me means following what he taught and he taught love of father and neighbor. He did not teach we had to believe a certain theology or dogma - it was about how we treated others and it's about LOVE. :)
 
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Jesus, the Apostles and prophets all taught doctrine along with love. Doctrine is what we are to believe, it is what the truth is. Doctrine, when understood, is love. It is GODS Love to us to reveal true doctrine so that we can worship HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. 1 Timothy 6:3 Titus 1:9 Doctrine and love are partners. While love is the greatest of all gifts it is not to the degree where the others are eliminated. Doctrine informs us there is only one GOD else we would be trinitarians. Having true doctrines does not excuse us from loving our neighbors but actually helps enable us to love them. Doctrine tells us plainly that the ability to love with GODLY love is a gift of the Holy Spirit and is not from us. 2 Timothy 3:16,17 2 Peter 1:20,21 Hebrews 4:12 Romans 15:4 John 17:17 2 Thessalonians 2:9,10,11,12 Love without doctrine is misguided love as it has no foundation in GODS truth and this can be a very dangerous thing. Doctrine is truth therefore love and truth are inseparable; truth without love or love without truth is in the spirit an impossibility. Truth is what sets us free so that we can repent be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit that gives us agape. John 8:32
 
To be baptized into Christ is to accept his authority and truth above all else—not one's own reasoning, nor the inherited beliefs of family, tradition, or religious institutions. It is a surrender, a pledge of allegiance to the person of Jesus and to the message he embodied. This kind of discipleship is not symbolic conformity but a decisive reorientation of life. It marks true belonging to Christ, and over time, it compels the believer to confront and measure every doctrine, practice, and tradition against the truth revealed in him. When these inherited structures diverge from the teachings of Jesus, the disciple faces a moment of decision—a crossroads where allegiance to Christ may demand separation from one’s birth religion or theological heritage. These moments are not merely theological but deeply personal and often costly. Yet through them, the disciple enters more fully into the yoke of Christ, and in that submission, discovers freedom—the kind that only truth can give.

Religious systems throughout history have often been structured more for preserving communal identity than for cultivating a direct, personal relationship with God. As a result, the concept of divinity has frequently been abstracted—bound up in metaphysics, rituals, and institutional authority—rather than grounded in the lived, relational dynamic modeled by Jesus. The gospel of Christ reveals a different kind of divinity: one defined not by ontological claims, but by perfect obedience, sinlessness, and total submission to the Father. Jesus never claimed to be God the Father. Instead, he consistently acknowledged his dependence on God and his commission from God. His divinity, as presented especially in passages like John 10, is one of status and function—granted by the Father, not self-derived. When John writes, “the Word was with God,” he refers to God the Father. And when he says, “the Word was God,” the intent is not metaphysical equivalence, but ministerial divinity—a reflection of divine agency and commission.

This Word became flesh—not in some superhuman form, but in the full likeness of humanity. Jesus was made like his brothers and sisters in every way, except without sin. His life is the revelation of God not because he claimed equality with God in essence, but because he perfectly embodied God's will. He is the living example of what it means to be fully human under God’s authority. His teachings, his submission, and his moral perfection constitute the model of divine-human relationship. In this light, true worship is not adherence to an abstract doctrine of God but a life shaped by the truth Jesus revealed and lived.

Therefore, discipleship to Christ is a call to discernment. It requires that each believer test every spiritual inheritance—creeds, traditions, and dogmas—by the standard of Jesus’ words and example. This is not rebellion, but faithfulness; not relativism, but allegiance to the one who is the way, the truth, and the life. To follow Christ is to bear his yoke, which is easy not because it demands little, but because it liberates from the weight of deception, religious pretense, and misplaced authority. In him, the believer finds both clarity and courage—the clarity to see truth and the courage to follow it, even when it costs everything else.

Stephen D Green with ChatGPT
Hello Outcast, We know by now by this truth: https://biblehub.com/kjver/john/14.htm



Love, Walter And Debbie
 
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