Article CAN YOU BE A CHRISTIAN WITH A LOT OF DOUBTS?

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This is the first post of mine in this Other Christian Worldviews but I hope it won't be the last. I appreciate the fact of the existence of such a forum, particularly because for those of us who aren't really sure anymore where we fit into the Christian program, it's a privilege to have a place to articulate our views. I'm not sure where my growing convictions about the Christian life fit, so I'll start from here and await your gracious feedbacks. Let me begin by saying this about myself: I'm a very uncertain Christian, a very doubtful one. Since my leaving the Watchtower, I've vacillated between belief and scepticism more times than I can remember. At the same time I've been fascinated by the Christian faith. I've also tried on different worldviews and philosophies: I was an atheist for a few months (it was too depressing), an agnostic for a while (but I longed to give my heart to something) and a secular humanist (it was a bit more satisfying but I think it has no ultimate foundation because morality is not self-evident—it seemed to me that nature in itself is devoid of morality).

All this because of my disillusionment with traditional/popular evangelical forms of Christianity. Traditional Christianity with its emphasis on belief—"abdication of the intellect, a silencing of critical faculties, or believing in six impossible things before breakfast", in the words of the late Rabbi Jonathan Sacks—is no longer compelling for most people, including me. You can't worship what your mind rejects, can you? It's my conviction that Christianity should make compelling sense without demanding blind leap of faith. So I kept coming back again and again to Christianity—but Christianity understood differently, a "new" kind of Christianity. I've undergone a paradigm change. I'm discovering how I can be a passionate Christian today without giving my intellectual assent to propositions that defy my common sense (we must love God with our minds [intellect] too!). I've since learned that one can be a Christian with doubts. Biblical faith has room in it for intellectual doubt because it is the capacity to trust, the courage to act, the willingness to commit—"Lord, I believe, help thou my unbelief" (Mark 9:24).
From the place where we are right, flowers will never grow in the spring. The place where we are right is hard and trampled like a yard. But loves and doubts dig up the world like a mole, a plow. [emphasis mine]—source of quote forgotten.

Imagine that you enter a parlor. You come late. When you arrive, others have long preceded you, and they are engaged in a heated discussion, a discussion too heated for them to pause and tell you exactly what it is about. In fact, the discussion had already begun long before any of them got there, so that no one present is qualified to retrace for you all the steps that had gone before. You listen for a while; then you put in your oar. Someone answers; you answer him; another comes to your defense; another aligns himself against you, to either the embarrassment or gratification of your opponent, depending upon the quality of your ally’s assistance. However, the discussion is interminable. The hour grows late, you must depart. And you do depart, with the discussion still vigorously in progress.
—Kenneth Burke (quoted in Marcus J. Borg's book The Heart of Christianity).
That little story illustrates how I now see Christianity—as an "unending coversation." For as long as there have been Christians, there have been debates about what it means to be a Christian—from the authority of the Bible and the believability of its stories, to the meaning of Jesus, to what difference Christianity really makes. Essential Christian ideas have evolved and been interpreted in various ways. To borrow an idea from Marcus J. Borg whose work I'm currently immersed in, being Christian involves us in an unending conversation—with the Bible, the Christian tradition, and each other. It involves discerning the heart of Christianity, and such discernment involves us in an unending conversation. This "unending coversation" explains why the Church has always been diverse or pluriform. There has never been a monolithic Christian church. There have always been unity and diversity. We see the same diversity today. Much of the conversation in our time is between an earlier paradigm and an emerging paradigm. A paradigm is a comprehensive way of seeing, a way of seeing a “whole.” Both paradigms are ways of looking at the same phenomena (God, the Bible, Jesus, the creeds, faith, and so forth), but the phenomena are seen differently. The task is the ongoing construction of what it means to be Christian. (Marcus Borg) So I'm also adding my voice (though faint and uncertain) to this "unending conversation." I understand that being Christian is about more than “conversation.” Being Christian involves not just
“talk,” but the transformation of our lives. Being Christian isn’t also about getting our beliefs (or our paradigm) “right".

The point is, there is no single right way of understanding Christianity and no single right way of being Christian (except when Christian language is used to legitimate hatred—like the Ku Klux Klan and the White Aryan Nation). But there are many different and legitimate ways of seeing Christianity and being Christian. And for most people, this "emerging" paradigm—because it also strongly affirms the reality of God, the centrality of the Bible, the centrality of Jesus, the importance of a relationship with God as known in Jesus, and our (and the world’s) need for transformation—provides a way of taking Christianity and the Christian life seriously.
 
Well said brother! Uncertainty does not necessarily betray a lake of faith, rather doubts have served to foster our ongoing investigation into the meaning of life, especially as understood through the Christian lens. The journey may never end in absolutes, however, it remains a journey worth taking, as it brings with it purpose, meaning and the potential for peace of mind. The answer to questions of absurdity, that beyond the mystery we may find God.
 
Romans 14:23 , Hebrews 11:6 , Romans 1:17 , A Christian is taught by the spirit through Jesus and in faith we believe to such a degree that our faith is fact. Romans 12:3
 
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William say’s faith or belief is the abdication of intellect . Odd that scripture says we’re are saved by grace through faith. William places human intellect over GODS gift of faith. Williams own description of himself shows me that he is being tossed to and fro by every wind that blows. It seems like William is convinced that human thought can be combined with GODS thought, that is the carnal with the spiritual. Isaiah 55:8 Proverbs 3:5,6 1 Corinthians 1:25 Humans need to stop thinking like a human and begin to think like GOD. William says there is no single way to understand and be a Christian. Ephesians 4:4,5,6 scriptures disagree with William. 1 Corinthians 12:12,13 1 Corinthians 1:10 William is wrong in saying you can have unity through diversity. If you look up the definitions of these words they are opposite. The church is to have only unity with no diversity. Ephesians 4:11,12,13,14,15,6 William says he has doubts. James 1:6 John 20:27 Mark 11:23 Psalm 50:15 Romans 14:23 Everything that does not come from faith is sin.
 
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I don't know how to respond to this, honestly.
I have this question though: how are you able to make such a neat distinction between what you call 'God's thought' and human thought? How do you—a human—transcend your humanity so as to stop thinking like a human?
I'll desist from trading texts with you.
 
To me a Christian is someone that follows Christ. Of many will have their own definition. I don't have to accept their definition. While we do have "understandings" of what constitutes say a medical doctor and anyone can't just say their a medical doctor without training. Saying one is a Christian is a personal identification.

I've had "friends" recently say I'm not a Christian because I don't believe as they do - that I worship a "different"God or different Jesus. My response was can we both agree that there is one true creator of the universe? and can we both agree there is one true Jesus Christ that walked this earth 2000 years ago? If Yes then we are not believing in different beings but we have different interpretations/understandings/conclusions etc.

I feel if someone is striving to follow Christ, his teachings - love God and neighbor then they are a Christian and I consider them my brother or sister regardless if they believe as I do.

IMHO we need to get away from judging each other based on theology but more on integrity and how we live - are we loving God and neighbor?
 
I am not the one who made that statement, GOD through Isaiah said that and I have never made the claim you said I did. Scripture tells Christians to “Let this mind be in you that was in Christ”. 1 Corinthians 1:24 We have access to GOD through Christ the mediator. Through this spiritual connection the knowledge and wisdom of GOD is taught to us. John 6:45 Colossians 2:2,3 Spiritual Wisdom and knowledge far surpass human wisdom and knowledge. You have stated that faith in these things robs you of human intellect. Then what good is faith to you ? All you have is human intellect. If this is your choice then that is your right.
Since you have have your right I have mine. Faith is something that we must have as it is impossible to please GOD without it. Hebrews 11:6
 
To me a Christian is someone that follows Christ. Of many will have their own definition. I don't have to accept their definition. While we do have "understandings" of what constitutes say a medical doctor and anyone can't just say their a medical doctor without training. Saying one is a Christian is a personal identification.

I've had "friends" recently say I'm not a Christian because I don't believe as they do - that I worship a "different"God or different Jesus. My response was can we both agree that there is one true creator of the universe? and can we both agree there is one true Jesus Christ that walked this earth 2000 years ago? If Yes then we are not believing in different beings but we have different interpretations/understandings/conclusions etc.

I feel if someone is striving to follow Christ, his teachings - love God and neighbor then they are a Christian and I consider them my brother or sister regardless if they believe as I do.

IMHO we need to get away from judging each other based on theology but more on integrity and how we live - are we loving God and neighbor?
Everything you have just written is believed on by faith. It would not be love at all to see a brother having doubts about that faith and do nothing. We do not make our own definitions about faith. GOD, Christ, the Apostles and prophets make those definitions and we in faith follow them. We cannot reinvent the faith to suit ourselves rather we follow the faith to reinvent ourselves. Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith so we cannot be. Hebrews 12:2 We do not define any spiritual thing as they are defined by GOD and Christ. The way of faith is in the teachings of scripture, the doctrines which define what that faith is. Our faith involves deep things the unconverted world cannot understand. There is a very huge difference between the true faith and that which is in the world.
 
I would like to add that my intent was not to offend William but to show him the scriptures that speak about the faith that he seems to be losing.
When scripture says there is only ONE of all the things that are of faith,
Ephesians 4:4 , it is impossible to have two or three. What we have in the world is, 2 Timothy 4:3 , there is sound doctrine. One may say they believe in GOD and believe in Christ and the gospel but if their doctrine is false in any or all these things to call them a Christian would be a lie. In the view Lori expressed everyone in all the churches then are Christians. Are Jehovahs Witnesses Christians are they your brothers and sisters in the faith, if so then why do I see so many attacks against them. What about the Worldide Church Of GOD, the Catholic Church, the Mormons and all the others ? It was said by, David Otis Fuller, “If you were accused of being a Christian would there be enough evidence to convict you ?” No one provides this evidence but GOD and Christ because no one else has it to give. The saints receive this evidence by the Holy Spirit. Anthony Buzzard says, “There are a lot of if’s in Christianity.” He is correct. There are if’s because of certain conditions established by GOD and Christ. To disagree is not hate or intolerance or intimidation because it should be done in love. 2 Timothy 2:25 Galatians 6:1 1 Peter 3:15 If William has issues with orthodox Christianity let him explain what they are and in the spirit of love and truth discuss them with the goal of finding answers.
 
This is the first post of mine in this Other Christian Worldviews but I hope it won't be the last. I appreciate the fact of the existence of such a forum, particularly because for those of us who aren't really sure anymore where we fit into the Christian program, it's a privilege to have a place to articulate our views. I'm not sure where my growing convictions about the Christian life fit, so I'll start from here and await your gracious feedbacks. Let me begin by saying this about myself: I'm a very uncertain Christian, a very doubtful one. Since my leaving the Watchtower, I've vacillated between belief and scepticism more times than I can remember. At the same time I've been fascinated by the Christian faith. I've also tried on different worldviews and philosophies: I was an atheist for a few months (it was too depressing), an agnostic for a while (but I longed to give my heart to something) and a secular humanist (it was a bit more satisfying but I think it has no ultimate foundation because morality is not self-evident—it seemed to me that nature in itself is devoid of morality).

All this because of my disillusionment with traditional/popular evangelical forms of Christianity. Traditional Christianity with its emphasis on belief—"abdication of the intellect, a silencing of critical faculties, or believing in six impossible things before breakfast", in the words of the late Rabbi Jonathan Sacks—is no longer compelling for most people, including me. You can't worship what your mind rejects, can you? It's my conviction that Christianity should make compelling sense without demanding blind leap of faith. So I kept coming back again and again to Christianity—but Christianity understood differently, a "new" kind of Christianity. I've undergone a paradigm change. I'm discovering how I can be a passionate Christian today without giving my intellectual assent to propositions that defy my common sense (we must love God with our minds [intellect] too!). I've since learned that one can be a Christian with doubts. Biblical faith has room in it for intellectual doubt because it is the capacity to trust, the courage to act, the willingness to commit—"Lord, I believe, help thou my unbelief" (Mark 9:24).



That little story illustrates how I now see Christianity—as an "unending coversation." For as long as there have been Christians, there have been debates about what it means to be a Christian—from the authority of the Bible and the believability of its stories, to the meaning of Jesus, to what difference Christianity really makes. Essential Christian ideas have evolved and been interpreted in various ways. To borrow an idea from Marcus J. Borg whose work I'm currently immersed in, being Christian involves us in an unending conversation—with the Bible, the Christian tradition, and each other. It involves discerning the heart of Christianity, and such discernment involves us in an unending conversation. This "unending coversation" explains why the Church has always been diverse or pluriform. There has never been a monolithic Christian church. There have always been unity and diversity. We see the same diversity today. Much of the conversation in our time is between an earlier paradigm and an emerging paradigm. A paradigm is a comprehensive way of seeing, a way of seeing a “whole.” Both paradigms are ways of looking at the same phenomena (God, the Bible, Jesus, the creeds, faith, and so forth), but the phenomena are seen differently. The task is the ongoing construction of what it means to be Christian. (Marcus Borg) So I'm also adding my voice (though faint and uncertain) to this "unending conversation." I understand that being Christian is about more than “conversation.” Being Christian involves not just
“talk,” but the transformation of our lives. Being Christian isn’t also about getting our beliefs (or our paradigm) “right".

The point is, there is no single right way of understanding Christianity and no single right way of being Christian (except when Christian language is used to legitimate hatred—like the Ku Klux Klan and the White Aryan Nation). But there are many different and legitimate ways of seeing Christianity and being Christian. And for most people, this "emerging" paradigm—because it also strongly affirms the reality of God, the centrality of the Bible, the centrality of Jesus, the importance of a relationship with God as known in Jesus, and our (and the world’s) need for transformation—provides a way of taking Christianity and the Christian life seriously.
Hebrews 6:17,18 Isaiah 40:8 Matthew 24:35 Psalm 119:89,160,167 Hebrews 13:8 Numbers 23:19 1 Samuel 15:29 James1:17 John 17:17
This doesn’t seem like change to me.
 
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Right now, I am astounded by this thread - because it is my story in a nutshell. I, too, was once in the situation where William claims to be. I wanted God to be logical and explainable. I wanted Him to make sense according to my logic, and I wanted Him to reveal Himself to me. At least, that is what I thought I wanted.

I was so busy trying to associate my logic, through my eyes and mind, the existence of God in reality. It took my years before I realized that I had to drop my attitude that it cannot be real unless I would see it, smell it, taste it, and hear it. I had no concept of spiritual witness being the source of my understanding.

My fleshly side cannot see the truth. I have a very deep hate for being lied to, being used, abused, and being the victim of a deception. If my physical attributes cannot "see" something, then to me - it wasn't true.

God rescued me. It came down to my desire to remove myself from this planet. I scared myself by my own willingness and even had a plan on how I would end it. So, I think I can associate my experience to William's post at some degree. I don't know if William ever reached the pit I found myself in, but I see a similarity.

With my world turned upside down, God gave me a way to climb out of the pit. Looking back, I realize that it took years - a little at a time - to see that there was something better. The biggest roadblock was me.

Rather than create a novel here, suffice it to say that a moment arrived that I KNEW that God existed and His Son showed Him to me. All by myself, far from the U.S. and people I knew; in my hotel room; He prompted me to surrender. That became my moment of rescue.

I KNEW by faith. And since then, I became my own witness of His mercy and grace. Now, I realize when He blesses me. I can appreciate the evidence almost daily that He cares for me and gives me peace. That is not to say that I don't ask Him when times seem troubling, because those moments come up. I resort back to faith, being still, and knowing that He is Yahweh. I look to His Son for a human example for me to follow.

I would not be here if it were not according to plan.

I hope that God provides for William as He did for me.
 
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Yes. It is a great blessing to find that peace Jesus said he would give us. The human intellect is what must die, it is that old man or woman in each of us. We must put on Christ. The spiritual warfare requires spiritual weapons but if all we have is human intellect, a carnal mind, we will be defeated. Without the spirit of GOD people go through life unarmed or in the world without hope and without GOD. Ephesians 2:12
It is as though the more carnal education that we have makes us spiritually stupid, 1 Corinthians 1:25,26 Matthew 11:25 If a person thinks highly of themselves because they view themselves as an academic with a large vocabulary and are very well read polluting their minds with thoughts of carnal authors who write about things they can never understand then that is when faith is nearly destroyed. Romans 12:3 1 Corinthians 4:7 Philippians 2:3 Galatians 6:3 James 4:6
GOD will not call and choose those who are so full of themselves that there is no room in them for HIS spirit. True intelligence or intellect is from GOD. Proverbs 26:12 Ecclesiastes 7:16 Romans 12:16 1 Corinthians 8:2 James 3:13,14,15,16,17 1 Corinthians 3:18 1 Timothy 6:3,4 Have you ever noticed that many considered to be the world’s wisest people are atheists or at best agnostics with very few who do believe there is a GOD ? James 4:17
 
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Yes. It is a great blessing to find that peace Jesus said he would give us. The human intellect is what must die, it is that old man or woman in each of us. We must put on Christ. The spiritual warfare requires spiritual weapons but if all we have is human intellect, a carnal mind, we will be defeated. Without the spirit of GOD people go through life unarmed or in the world without hope and without GOD. Ephesians 2:12
It is as though the more carnal education that we have makes us spiritually stupid, 1 Corinthians 1:25,26 Matthew 11:25 If a person thinks highly of themselves because they view themselves as an academic with a large vocabulary and are very well read polluting their minds with thoughts of carnal authors who write about things they can never understand then that is when faith is nearly destroyed. Romans 12:3 1 Corinthians 4:7 Philippians 2:3 Galatians 6:3 James 4:6
GOD will not call and choose those who are so full of themselves that there is no room in them for HIS spirit. True intelligence or intellect is from GOD. Proverbs 26:12 Ecclesiastes 7:16 Romans 12:16 1 Corinthians 8:2 James 3:13,14,15,16,17 1 Corinthians 3:18 1 Timothy 6:3,4 Have you ever noticed that many considered to be the world’s wisest people are atheists or at best agnostics with very few who do believe there is a GOD ? James 4:17
Well, sir, I have seen very smart people who tried to prove that there is no God discovering that there is. We even have professors teaching seminary courses who have turned atheist. A man who at one times was Billy Graham's assistant who went back to Canada as atheist. It is hard to tell sometimes who's heart is truly with God and who is just playing one for the crowd. Satan has had a very long time now to confound the true message.
 
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Well, sir, I have seen very smart people who tried to prove that there is no God discovering that there is. We even have professors teaching seminary courses who have turned atheist. A man who at one times was Billy Graham's assistant who went back to Canada as atheist. It is hard to tell sometimes who's heart is truly with God and who is just playing one for the crowd. Satan has had a very long time now to confound the true message.
Trying the spirits, using the gift of discernment, knowing the truth GOD through Christ teaches us all combined enables us to know if someone is of GOD or not.
 
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Trying the spirits, using the gift of discernment, knowing the truth GOD through Christ teaches us all combined enables us to know if someone is of GOD or not.
Yet, when we someone who has a lot of friends in church, we think "My, look how they love each other!"
 
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It is -2 here, very cold. I have been up all night tending both furnaces and the house is only at 68.
 
Human love when compared to GODS love does not even exist.
It is great to have a Father like this:

Ro 8:14–15 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
 
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