Arguments for God, from Beauty, from Truth, and From Goodness

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From these Videos, all objects of experience, when experienced as good, also have beauty and truth at the same time. It is postulated that these three are probably identical, and that these three occur together, and if one part is spoiled, the entire thing is spoiled.

The existence of beauty, and through its concomitants, truth and goodness, present a common pointer towards God, as its source.



 

LeeB

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Goodness , beauty and truth can only remain if untouched by their opposites. An example , truth is only true if everything is true. In Gods truth, no lie is of the truth. If there are 10 things 9 are true but one is not then all 10 are not. The one untrue would cause the other 9 to alter to accommodate the one.
 
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Goodness , beauty and truth can only remain if untouched by their opposites. An example , truth is only true if everything is true. In Gods truth, no lie is of the truth. If there are 10 things 9 are true but one is not then all 10 are not. The one untrue would cause the other 9 to alter to accommodate the one.

In a sense, yes. But in a mathematical/scientific sense there is such thing as degrees of error, in arithmetic 1+1=2, 1 and 3 are as wrong as each other, 0 and 4, -1 and 5, getting more wrong each time.

God also grades on a scale,

46Your older sister was Samaria, who lived with her daughters to your north; and your younger sister was Sodom, who lived with her daughters to your south. 47And you not only walked in their ways and practiced their abominations, but soon you were more depraved than they were.

51Furthermore, Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have multiplied your abominations beyond theirs, and all the abominations you have committed have made your sisters appear righteous.

On top of this, you also indicated on a previous post that Israel will also have double portion.

Likewise, beauty also degrades, the more injury and insult the organism suffers.

Goodness, as well, degrades. A tire loses grip as it wears out.

God restores Shalom when he saves.

19 [†] For u in him all the v fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 [†] and w through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, x making peace y by the blood of his cross.

20 He was supreme in the beginning and—leading the resurrection parade—he is supreme in the end. From beginning to end he’s there, towering far above everything, everyone. So spacious is he, so expansive, that everything of God finds its proper place in him without crowding. Not only that, but all the broken and dislocated pieces of the universe—people and things, animals and atoms—get properly fixed and fit together in vibrant harmonies, all because of his death, his blood that poured down from the cross.
 

LeeB

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Allow me to rephrase for clarity. Spiritual goodness, beauty and truth can only remain if untouched by their physical opposites. The physical can pollute the spiritual but the spiritual will not pollute physical. God gives man something wonderful spiritually and in time man will pollute it.
 

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I disagree. If one’s spirit is corrupt, that also bleeds in to his physical manifestations. This is why people tend to make themselves ugly, not to mention spoil the environment for everyone else. This goes both ways in general.
 
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LeeB

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To again clarify , spiritual goodness, beauty and truth is from God. Corrupt spirit is of Satan. The human spirit is of their father the devil, corrupt. Even though God gives only truth, beauty and goodness those of the devil will corrupt it. The Spirit of God corrupts nothing. Evil corrupt people have crept in unawares, Jude 1:4 , this is how the physical pollutes the spiritual. Again, if God gives truth, beauty and goodness the corrupt among men will pollute it. This is how and why there are so many false religions and churches. 2 Corinthians 2:17 , Psalm 14:1-3 , Isaiah 1:4 , Jeremiah 17:9 , Deuteronomy 31:29 , James 4:4 , Isaiah 5:20 . Satan appears as an angel of light and has corrupted the world except for those God has called out of it.
 

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God did not create Adam and Eve with the ability to sin. They had no knowledge about sin until after eating the forbidden fruit. Neither of them were righteous nor were they unrighteous, they were ignorant. They were in effect a spiritual blank that needed completed . The choice of the two trees , life or death, would fill this blank. The two trees were symbolic of the two covenants. Eventually God made the covenant Adam chose with carnal Israel. The law that could only produce death. Jesus came to publicize the new that produced everlasting life. Jesus was the second Adam, the church the second Eve in a spiritual Genesis 2.