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To be baptized into Christ is to accept his authority and truth above all else—not one's own reasoning, nor the inherited beliefs of family, tradition, or religious institutions. It is a surrender, a pledge of allegiance to the person of Jesus and to the message he embodied. This kind of discipleship is not symbolic conformity but a decisive reorientation of life. It marks true belonging to Christ, and over time, it compels the believer to confront and measure every doctrine, practice, and tradition against the truth revealed in him. When these inherited structures diverge from the teachings of Jesus, the disciple faces a moment of decision—a crossroads where allegiance to Christ may demand separation from one’s birth religion or theological heritage. These moments are not merely theological but deeply personal and often costly. Yet through them, the disciple enters more fully into the yoke of Christ, and in that submission, discovers freedom—the kind that only truth can give.

Religious systems throughout history have often been structured more for preserving communal identity than for cultivating a direct, personal relationship with God. As a result, the concept of divinity has frequently been abstracted—bound up in metaphysics, rituals, and institutional authority—rather than grounded in the lived, relational dynamic modeled by Jesus. The gospel of Christ reveals a different kind of divinity: one defined not by ontological claims, but by perfect obedience, sinlessness, and total submission to the Father. Jesus never claimed to be God the Father. Instead, he consistently acknowledged his dependence on God and his commission from God. His divinity, as presented especially in passages like John 10, is one of status and function—granted by the Father, not self-derived. When John writes, “the Word was with God,” he refers to God the Father. And when he says, “the Word was God,” the intent is not metaphysical equivalence, but ministerial divinity—a reflection of divine agency and commission.

This Word became flesh—not in some superhuman form, but in the full likeness of humanity. Jesus was made like his brothers and sisters in every way, except without sin. His life is the revelation of God not because he claimed equality with God in essence, but because he perfectly embodied God's will. He is the living example of what it means to be fully human under God’s authority. His teachings, his submission, and his moral perfection constitute the model of divine-human relationship. In this light, true worship is not adherence to an abstract doctrine of God but a life shaped by the truth Jesus revealed and lived.

Therefore, discipleship to Christ is a call to discernment. It requires that each believer test every spiritual inheritance—creeds, traditions, and dogmas—by the standard of Jesus’ words and example. This is not rebellion, but faithfulness; not relativism, but allegiance to the one who is the way, the truth, and the life. To follow Christ is to bear his yoke, which is easy not because it demands little, but because it liberates from the weight of deception, religious pretense, and misplaced authority. In him, the believer finds both clarity and courage—the clarity to see truth and the courage to follow it, even when it costs everything else.

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Therefore, discipleship to Christ is a call to discernment. It requires that each believer test every spiritual inheritance—creeds, traditions, and dogmas—by the standard of Jesus’ words and example. This is not rebellion, but faithfulness; not relativism, but allegiance to the one who is the way, the truth, and the life. To follow Christ is to bear his yoke, which is easy not because it demands little, but because it liberates from the weight of deception, religious pretense, and misplaced authority. In him, the believer finds both clarity and courage—the clarity to see truth and the courage to follow it, even when it costs everything else.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I will add a disciple of Christ to me means following what he taught and he taught love of father and neighbor. He did not teach we had to believe a certain theology or dogma - it was about how we treated others and it's about LOVE. :)
 
Jesus, the Apostles and prophets all taught doctrine along with love. Doctrine is what we are to believe, it is what the truth is. Doctrine, when understood, is love. It is GODS Love to us to reveal true doctrine so that we can worship HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. 1 Timothy 6:3 Titus 1:9 Doctrine and love are partners. While love is the greatest of all gifts it is not to the degree where the others are eliminated. Doctrine informs us there is only one GOD else we would be trinitarians. Having true doctrines does not excuse us from loving our neighbors but actually helps enable us to love them. Doctrine tells us plainly that the ability to love with GODLY love is a gift of the Holy Spirit and is not from us. 2 Timothy 3:16,17 2 Peter 1:20,21 Hebrews 4:12 Romans 15:4 John 17:17 2 Thessalonians 2:9,10,11,12 Love without doctrine is misguided love as it has no foundation in GODS truth and this can be a very dangerous thing. Doctrine is truth therefore love and truth are inseparable; truth without love or love without truth is in the spirit an impossibility. Truth is what sets us free so that we can repent be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit that gives us agape. John 8:32
 
To be baptized into Christ is to accept his authority and truth above all else—not one's own reasoning, nor the inherited beliefs of family, tradition, or religious institutions. It is a surrender, a pledge of allegiance to the person of Jesus and to the message he embodied. This kind of discipleship is not symbolic conformity but a decisive reorientation of life. It marks true belonging to Christ, and over time, it compels the believer to confront and measure every doctrine, practice, and tradition against the truth revealed in him. When these inherited structures diverge from the teachings of Jesus, the disciple faces a moment of decision—a crossroads where allegiance to Christ may demand separation from one’s birth religion or theological heritage. These moments are not merely theological but deeply personal and often costly. Yet through them, the disciple enters more fully into the yoke of Christ, and in that submission, discovers freedom—the kind that only truth can give.

Religious systems throughout history have often been structured more for preserving communal identity than for cultivating a direct, personal relationship with God. As a result, the concept of divinity has frequently been abstracted—bound up in metaphysics, rituals, and institutional authority—rather than grounded in the lived, relational dynamic modeled by Jesus. The gospel of Christ reveals a different kind of divinity: one defined not by ontological claims, but by perfect obedience, sinlessness, and total submission to the Father. Jesus never claimed to be God the Father. Instead, he consistently acknowledged his dependence on God and his commission from God. His divinity, as presented especially in passages like John 10, is one of status and function—granted by the Father, not self-derived. When John writes, “the Word was with God,” he refers to God the Father. And when he says, “the Word was God,” the intent is not metaphysical equivalence, but ministerial divinity—a reflection of divine agency and commission.

This Word became flesh—not in some superhuman form, but in the full likeness of humanity. Jesus was made like his brothers and sisters in every way, except without sin. His life is the revelation of God not because he claimed equality with God in essence, but because he perfectly embodied God's will. He is the living example of what it means to be fully human under God’s authority. His teachings, his submission, and his moral perfection constitute the model of divine-human relationship. In this light, true worship is not adherence to an abstract doctrine of God but a life shaped by the truth Jesus revealed and lived.

Therefore, discipleship to Christ is a call to discernment. It requires that each believer test every spiritual inheritance—creeds, traditions, and dogmas—by the standard of Jesus’ words and example. This is not rebellion, but faithfulness; not relativism, but allegiance to the one who is the way, the truth, and the life. To follow Christ is to bear his yoke, which is easy not because it demands little, but because it liberates from the weight of deception, religious pretense, and misplaced authority. In him, the believer finds both clarity and courage—the clarity to see truth and the courage to follow it, even when it costs everything else.

Stephen D Green with ChatGPT
Hello Outcast, We know by now by this truth: https://biblehub.com/kjver/john/14.htm



Love, Walter And Debbie
 
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Thank you Lee

Love. Walter And Debbie

Happy to see you respond Walter. I think that you may find that we have things in common even though we have things in disagreement. The spirit of YAHWEH works to achieve unity in the faith. Fellowship involves communication in love and mutual respect. It is my hope that we can address issues in that way.
 
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Happy to see you respond Walter. I think that you may find that we have things in common even though we have things in disagreement. The spirit of YAHWEH works to achieve unity in the faith. Fellowship involves communication in love and mutual respect. It is my hope that we can address issues in that way.
Yes, Lee, I'm hearing what you are saying and still paying attention to what He is saying, Brother, if you can understand what I'm saying?

Because GOD Is the only One WHO KNOWS OUR HEARTS.

Love, Walter
 
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Hello Outcast, We know by now by this truth: https://biblehub.com/kjver/john/14.htm



Love, Walter And Debbie
Hello Walter, there seems to be a large gap between the point you must be trying to make and how I perceive your post. It would help tremendously if you would tell me what you think instead of showing me verses of the bible.
 
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I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I will add a disciple of Christ to me means following what he taught and he taught love of father and neighbor. He did not teach we had to believe a certain theology or dogma - it was about how we treated others and it's about LOVE. :)
I see that it remains true that English is a difficult language. You think that Yeshua did not teach that we have to believe a certain theology? I am baffled by that, and that is perhaps because of what you mean by "theology."

Yeshua taught about His Father - is that not simply "theology?"

He spoke with "authority" and passed on what His Father gave Him to say. Is that not "dogma?"

He was a masterful teacher of morality and love - but not ONLY love. The things he taught were examples of what behavior stems from love. He said that those who love Him will obey His commandments.

Color me confused by your post.
 
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Hello Walter, there seems to be a large gap between the point you must be trying to make and how I perceive your post. It would help tremendously if you would tell me what you think instead of showing me verses of the bible.
Good morning, Outcast. And how are you all? But yes, there is a huge gap in how we receive and have wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of what the King Messiah is saying to us now.

It is not what we think, it must be what we know.

The point is to get His answers because He is the author and finisher of our faith for His Plan of Salvation.

Love, Walter And Debbie
 
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Good morning, Outcast. And how are you all? But yes, there is a huge gap in how we receive and have wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of what the King Messiah is saying to us now.

It is not what we think, it must be what we know.

The point is to get His answers because He is the author and finisher of our faith for His Plan of Salvation.

Love, Walter And Debbie

The plan of salvation did not come from the King Messiah, it came from His Father. Yeshua was a key part of that plan.

The translation of Hebrews 12:2 is poorly done. In Acts 3:15 and 5:31 as well as Hebrews 2:10, the word that is translated as "author" is more correctly translated as "prince" or "captain." The term "author" implies that Yeshua came up with the idea. He did not.

He did lead the implementation and set an example for His followers.

So, what is He saying to you?
 
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Yes Walter, Outcast is correct, John 12:49 John 14:10 John 5:19 , shows what Jesus said and Jesus confirms that his FATHER is the author of salvation and YAHWEH created HIS son to bring the message of salvation, the gospel, to us as well as being the sacrifice required to be our PASSOVER LAMB.
 
The plan of salvation did not come from the King Messiah, it came from His Father. Yeshua was a key part of that plan.

The translation of Hebrews 12:2 is poorly done. In Acts 3:15 and 5:31 as well as Hebrews 2:10, the word that is translated as "author" is more correctly translated as "prince" or "captain." The term "author" implies that Yeshua came up with the idea. He did not.

He did lead the implementation and set an example for His followers.

So, what is He saying to you?
Hello Outcast, Obedience to Christ is always best for us.

Love, Walter
 
Yes Walter, Outcast is correct, John 12:49 John 14:10 John 5:19 , shows what Jesus said and Jesus confirms that his FATHER is the author of salvation and YAHWEH created HIS son to bring the message of salvation, the gospel, to us as well as being the sacrifice required to be our PASSOVER LAMB.
Hi Lee, Our obedience is always to Christ.

Love, Walter
 
Walter, if you understand the scriptures I gave above Christ was obedient to his FATHER setting an example for us to be obedient to the FATHER. Matthew 7:21 Matthew 12:50 John 4:34 John 5:30 There are many other verses like this which inform us that Jesus Christ did the will of his FATHER. We are to do the will of the FATHER. Even though Jesus had his own will he always submitted to the will of the FATHER the same is to be true of you and me. Everything Christ taught us and all the things he did came from the FATHER. It is the FATHERS will that you and I understand this. The FATHER is above and in control of all beings, even HIS son. There is an order, or command structure in the spirit realm; 1 Corinthians 11:3 , the word “head” in this verse is the Greek word “kephale” meaning ruler or lord. It signifies leadership, the one in charge and in control. The FATHER is in charge of, in control of ,leader and Lord of Jesus Christ. The FATHER appointed Jesus as “head of the man and the church and man is the head of the woman. This is undeniable fact. When Jesus gave the two greatest commandments he did not say “Love me, Jesus, with all your heart all your soul and all your mind”. Because Jesus is the “head of man” he is to be loved more than any other human being. Matthew 10:7 notice Jesus is speaking about other human beings here and not claiming the love that is due to the FATHER alone. There is shown here a difference between the FATHER, Jesus , man and woman with each having their own unique place of importance. The FATHER is the highest, Luke 2:14 .
 
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Walter, if you understand the scriptures I gave above Christ was obedient to his FATHER setting an example for us to be obedient to the FATHER. Matthew 7:21 Matthew 12:50 John 4:34 John 5:30 There are many other verses like this which inform us that Jesus Christ did the will of his FATHER. We are to do the will of the FATHER. Even though Jesus had his own will he always submitted to the will of the FATHER the same is to be true of you and me. Everything Christ taught us and all the things he did came from the FATHER. It is the FATHERS will that you and I understand this. The FATHER is above and in control of all beings, even HIS son. There is an order, or command structure in the spirit realm; 1 Corinthians 11:3 , the word “head” in this verse is the Greek word “kephale” meaning ruler or lord. It signifies leadership, the one in charge and in control. The FATHER is in charge of, in control of ,leader and Lord of Jesus Christ. The FATHER appointed Jesus as “head of the man and the church and man is the head of the woman. This is undeniable fact. When Jesus gave the two greatest commandments he did not say “Love me, Jesus, with all your heart all your soul and all your mind”. Because Jesus is the “head of man” he is to be loved more than any other human being. Matthew 10:7 notice Jesus is speaking about other human beings here and not claiming the love that is due to the FATHER alone. There is shown here a difference between the FATHER, Jesus , man and woman with each having their own unique place of importance. The FATHER is the highest, Luke 2:14 .
Hi Brother Lee, it is not if, I do understand, but if it is something I did not understand, I would ask. Thank you.

Love, Walter
 
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Walter, if you understand the scriptures I gave above Christ was obedient to his FATHER setting an example for us to be obedient to the FATHER. Matthew 7:21 Matthew 12:50 John 4:34 John 5:30 There are many other verses like this which inform us that Jesus Christ did the will of his FATHER. We are to do the will of the FATHER. Even though Jesus had his own will he always submitted to the will of the FATHER the same is to be true of you and me. Everything Christ taught us and all the things he did came from the FATHER. It is the FATHERS will that you and I understand this. The FATHER is above and in control of all beings, even HIS son. There is an order, or command structure in the spirit realm; 1 Corinthians 11:3 , the word “head” in this verse is the Greek word “kephale” meaning ruler or lord. It signifies leadership, the one in charge and in control. The FATHER is in charge of, in control of ,leader and Lord of Jesus Christ. The FATHER appointed Jesus as “head of the man and the church and man is the head of the woman. This is undeniable fact. When Jesus gave the two greatest commandments he did not say “Love me, Jesus, with all your heart all your soul and all your mind”. Because Jesus is the “head of man” he is to be loved more than any other human being. Matthew 10:7 notice Jesus is speaking about other human beings here and not claiming the love that is due to the FATHER alone. There is shown here a difference between the FATHER, Jesus , man and woman with each having their own unique place of importance. The FATHER is the highest, Luke 2:14 .
And that is the deception that Trinitarianism causes. People have replaced Yahweh with Yeshua in their minds. There is a term for the times when people place other "gods" before the One True God. Translators have hidden it with the word Lord in our bibles, and people don't realize what they are doing.
 
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John 1:1,2,3,4 The word was made flesh is referring to Jesus who GOD sent to speake to us in these last days. Hebrews 1:1,2,3 If you have seen me you have seen the FATHER. Jesus had the character of his GOD, the same love and righteousness as his FATHER but Jesus was not eternal, omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient. This is how Jesus was the image of the invisible GOD. Even Unitarians cannot seem to grasp this. They are so fearful that giving Jesus his due, as to how his GOD created him , would be saying that Jesus is GOD. Unitarians reduce the status of the Christ to having a human nature exactly like all defiled human spirits rendering Jesus a potential sinner. This leads to other errors like glorified flesh , an idea on equal footing with the trinity. Even those who know the truth about YAHWEH and Christ being separate persons with the FATHER the creator of Yeshua and everything else, there are yet serious errors . I see that trinitarians, Binatarians and Unitarians have their own errors concerning YAHWEH and Yeshua.
 
In symbolism the Passover lamb has to be perfection, no blemishes at all, which symbolized the impeccable character of Christ. The virgin birth was mandatory to separate Jesus from Adam. Adams human spirit became defiled when he sinned and so did the human spirits of all humanity. The FATHER of Jesus was GOD ALMIGHTY who created HIS son after HIS own character or nature, image and likeness.
Mary was the dust of the ground as we all are bodily and the breath of life is who or what we really are. We all are a human spirit in a temporary body of dust. This is why scripture says, in him, Jesus, was no sin and Jesus was separate from sinners.
The GODLY character or nature in the Christ is what we Christians hope to receive, to be partakes of the divine nature as Peter tells us. How could it be that we are to be transformed into the image of a potential sinner ? Unitarians lie or assassinate the character of the Christ thus proving that they do not know Christ or his FATHER and certainly not the message of the gospel.
The idea of glorified flesh is a contradiction of terms and ignores the description of one who is “born again” as described by Jesus, the born again are born of spirit and like the wind, that which is flesh is flesh but that which is spirit is spirit. The flesh is corruption and cannot put on incorruption , this is why flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of GOD. Unitarians have their share of lies just as Trinitarians and Binitarians do.
 
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