Testimony Yahweh Saves His People

[DJ-Hopskipper]

Hello,

I am a former JW with Watchtower and I have a story to tell. This is not a hate story, but a love story with compassion and a desire to help others suffering from waking up from the lies being taught by the Governing Body. It is not an extensive analysis of the Watchtower history or all their man doctrines, but is my testimony to Jesus Christ and how the Holy Spirit came to call me back to God to reconcile with him after wandering for years after being hurt by their false proclamations. Furthermore, the website I will link presents 6 key doctrines I have issue with and I present scriptures to show what they teach is not scriptural. If you are still in the Watchtower or know someone that is, send them the link to my website. Maybe my presentation will help you or them cling to the WORD of God over a man organization. Romans 3:4, "... Yes, Let God be found true, but every man a liar..."

Jesus died for our sins and told us to that follow him to partake of the emblems representing his body and blood in memory of his sacrifice. This command applies to everyone of his disciples, not only some. My website presents the scriptures of his words as such so let us be obedient to HIM over men. Jehovah wants a direct relationship with you through his gift of salvation, Jesus Christ. Push all men out of this relationship and learn to understand how God loves YOU!

www.YeshuaYoshia.com

 

[LeeB]

DJ, I have read your 6 points on your blog. May I ask how long you have been out of the JW’s ? I was in a cult for ten years until GOD through Christ drew me out, that was over 30 years ago. Since that time I have been growing in the spirit. On this forum I have posted many articles that agree with 5 of your 6 points. We all are living in a time where the Elijah to come, not a man, has been at work, restoring all things by teaching or the spirit of the FATHER through Christ is that Elijah. John 6:45 All human shepherds have been removed from the scattered flock of the FATHER and Christ and they have taken over completely the operations of the church. Until we all come into the unity of the faith growth will continue as the bride is not yet ready. This is the spiritual state of everyone on this forum . Spiritual logic dictates that the longer one has been in Christ the more spiritual understanding they should have accumulated otherwise they have no growth, no fruit. It is incumbent upon all who call themselves Christians to prove all things, search diligently for the truth. Hopefully this can be done in the agape of the FATHER and Christ.

 

[DJ-Hopskipper]

DJ, I have read your 6 points on your blog. May I ask how long you have been out of the JW’s ? I was in a cult for ten years until GOD through Christ drew me out, that was over 30 years ago. Since that time I have been growing in the spirit. On this forum I have posted many articles that agree with 5 of your 6 points. We all are living in a time where the Elijah to come, not a man, has been at work, restoring all things by teaching or the spirit of the FATHER through Christ is that Elijah. John 6:45 All human shepherds have been removed from the scattered flock of the FATHER and Christ and they have taken over completely the operations of the church. Until we all come into the unity of the faith growth will continue as the bride is not yet ready. This is the spiritual state of everyone on this forum . Spiritual logic dictates that the longer one has been in Christ the more spiritual understanding they should have accumulated otherwise they have no growth, no fruit. It is incumbent upon all who call themselves Christians to prove all things, search diligently for the truth. Hopefully this can be done in the agape of the FATHER and Christ.

Hello LeeB,

I was baptized in 1992. I was active in all meetings and service until about 1997. When I left the first time I was hurt spiritually and it took me many years to move past it. Then I felt God calling me back to him and knew I wanted and needed to reconcile and work out what had happened and what really was Bible Truth. That was in 2019. I then returned to the Kingdom Hall in a new city I was living in and just was waiting on the Spirit to lead me realizing I would not start the "program" again. I could see so much in more clear terms and realized how wrong the teachings were which only confirmed why I left many years ago. I have been inactive for 3 and not sure if they consider me dis-associated as I have not bothered to make it an issue at this point. Elders don't contact me in a year now.

Meanwhile, as the Spirit was leading me to begin looking at the scriptures on everything I was seeing and hearing, I put aside the Watchtower magazine and just listened to the Bible on Dwell App. Then as each issue came to mind, I began earnest research again online not restricted to just the JW.org. I watched some former JW Youtubers (Former JWs that did not leave God or Christ) that were teaching, not shouting their pain and condemnation. I had more material to research and figure out better what God was saying in His scriptures without man made regimentation. I began to pick each one of some major doctrines I had to flush out and that led me to realize I must document what I was discovering as Bible truth so I could keep track of the deconstruction work my mind was engaged in.

Today I will visit for fellowship a local church that are non Jewish tradition Sabbath Keepers. The Holy Spirit revealed to me I needed to pay attention to the Sabbath so I am letting Him Lead me now.

I'm curious about which of the 6 doctrine explanations I made in my website, you are not in agreement with? And perhaps you can reveal the "cult" you are a part of for ten years.

DJ

 

[LeeB]

I was in the Worldwide Church of God. Herbert W. Armstrong was my god at that time because that is who I rendered myself to. I know the law very well. The Sabbath was only a physical rest of the flesh but the Sabbath of Christ is a spiritual rest from trying to keep the law that only kills all under it. The Sabbath is old covenant and a shadow of what Christ fulfilled. Hebrews 10:1 Christians no longer work to keep the law, the FATHER works in them by HIS love to fulfill the law. Romans 13:10 this love comes by the spirit of the FATHER through Christ, Romans 5:5
Once we become Christians we escape the condemnation of the law through entering the new covenant in his blood. A Christian must say goodbye to Moses and hello to Jesus, John 1:17 I have learned the lesson of the schoolmaster which is I needed a savior because I could not have salvation while I was under the law. Galatians 2:21 Galatians 3:23,24,25 You can spiritually benefit from my experience in the law, I have been there and done that and found that any hope I may have had towards righteousness was not in the law, rather my law keeping was only self righteousness which is filthy rags to the FATHER. Isaiah 64:6 Philippians 3:9 My faith just like that of Abraham is imputed righteousness from the FATHER. Romans 4:3 Not my own righteousness but that of the FATHER because I believe in HIS son and the gospel he preached. Ephesians 1:13

You also wanted to know which of the 6 doctrinal explanations on your site that I disagree with, number 2 . If you would care to discuss any issue I am willing.

 

[Walter And Debbie]

Hello,

I am a former JW with Watchtower and I have a story to tell. This is not a hate story, but a love story with compassion and a desire to help others suffering from waking up from the lies being taught by the Governing Body. It is not an extensive analysis of the Watchtower history or all their man doctrines, but is my testimony to Jesus Christ and how the Holy Spirit came to call me back to God to reconcile with him after wandering for years after being hurt by their false proclamations. Furthermore, the website I will link presents 6 key doctrines I have issue with and I present scriptures to show what they teach is not scriptural. If you are still in the Watchtower or know someone that is, send them the link to my website. Maybe my presentation will help you or them cling to the WORD of God over a man organization. Romans 3:4, "... Yes, Let God be found true, but every man a liar..."

Jesus died for our sins and told us to that follow him to partake of the emblems representing his body and blood in memory of his sacrifice. This command applies to everyone of his disciples, not only some. My website presents the scriptures of his words as such so let us be obedient to HIM over men. Jehovah wants a direct relationship with you through his gift of salvation, Jesus Christ. Push all men out of this relationship and learn to understand how God loves YOU!

www.YeshuaYoshia.com

Thank you DJ-Hopskipper

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[DJ-Hopskipper]

I was in the Worldwide Church of God. Herbert W. Armstrong was my god at that time because that is who I rendered myself to. I know the law very well. The Sabbath was only a physical rest of the flesh but the Sabbath of Christ is a spiritual rest from trying to keep the law that only kills all under it. The Sabbath is old covenant and a shadow of what Christ fulfilled. Hebrews 10:1 Christians no longer work to keep the law, the FATHER works in them by HIS love to fulfill the law. Romans 13:10 this love comes by the spirit of the FATHER through Christ, Romans 5:5
Once we become Christians we escape the condemnation of the law through entering the new covenant in his blood. A Christian must say goodbye to Moses and hello to Jesus, John 1:17 I have learned the lesson of the schoolmaster which is I needed a savior because I could not have salvation while I was under the law. Galatians 2:21 Galatians 3:23,24,25 You can spiritually benefit from my experience in the law, I have been there and done that and found that any hope I may have had towards righteousness was not in the law, rather my law keeping was only self righteousness which is filthy rags to the FATHER. Isaiah 64:6 Philippians 3:9 My faith just like that of Abraham is imputed righteousness from the FATHER. Romans 4:3 Not my own righteousness but that of the FATHER because I believe in HIS son and the gospel he preached. Ephesians 1:13

You also wanted to know which of the 6 doctrinal explanations on your site that I disagree with, number 2 . If you would care to discuss any issue I am willing.

It’s interesting what you said as I just have been in discovery stage with United Church of God an offshoot of the H. Armstrong Church. I attended just my second sabbath today. I do know something of the teachings but I’m starting to feel uneasy about certain clues I’m finding. Today I learned they don’t allow partaking of the emblems at the coming Passover unless you are baptized in their church. That’s not right. I’m baptized in JWs and while I eventually want to get a more scriptural baptism, in my dedication I was baptizing myself to Christ. Another new person there today told me paster forbid him to talk about a scripture which he provided but wouldn’t talk about. Strange. My clues are telling me perhaps this is another legalistic type church. I’m not sure yet so not willing to make solid conclusions.

If you want to expand on what you disagree with me on my #2 rebuttal you can send me your thoughts by email. Send to [email protected]

 

[LeeB]

Yes United is a splinter group of the WCG of Armstrong. There are over 50 of these groups. They are all very legalistic and practice many things from the old covenant. Unclean foods, no marriage or dating outside the church, three tithes and a very strict hierarchy in the ministry. They all believe that they are the one and only true church of God.
I believe that the FATHER has eliminated all human ministry and that HE and Christ totally control the church. This fulfilled the prophecy in Ezekiel 34. Today the FATHER communicates with HIS Saints through Jesus by the spiritual connection we have with HIM the mediator between The FATHER and us, Jesus Christ. 1 John 2:27 John 16:13 John 6:45 Men have always been the tool of Satan to deceive therefore all churches led by a man are deceived. If human ministry is removed from the equation then deception is impossible. I speak to the FATHER through Christ and the FATHER answers me through Christ. There is no other way. Churches today try to copy the first century church in the way it was organized but after the death of the last Apostle, John, the FATHER knew mass deception was coming and abolished all human ministry and today HE and Christ control the church that is scattered to the four winds and extremely few in number. I have poster an article here about this called the INVISIBLE CHURCH.

 

[LeeB]

Scripture says that Christians are bought with a price, what we were purchased from the law. The law has all humanity under the death sentence, no one can keep the law. The price to purchase us was the blood of the son of GOD. Once purchased we no longer belong to ourselves but to GOD and never again go back to the law. 1 Corinthians 6:19,20 1 Corinthians 7:23 It took the sacrifice of Christ to get us out of the old covenant and into the new. To go back to the law is to fall from grace. Galatians 5:4 Romans 3:20 Romans 4:14 Romans 9:31,32 Hebrews 7:18,19 2 Corinthians 3:7,8,9,10,11 Acts 13:39 Romans 6:14 Galatians 3:10,11,12 Here is something to chew on; the law is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil the old covenant and eating its fruit brings death. The tree of life is immortality offered to us through Christ and we must eat his flesh and drink his blood else we have no life. You cannot eat the fruit of both trees at the same time.

 

[DJ-Hopskipper]

LeeB
I appreciate your time in this discovery and your scriptural references. I don’t disagree with your conclusions as in myself I have constantly been asking God where can I fellowship in person if possible with fellow believers when so far I have not identified a church (man organization specifically) that doesn’t teach something that seems inconsistent with scripture. Certainly, while our salvation is only through Jesus Christ, we as humans need to associate with each other. How do we discern where we can find the believers that also accept God’s Word but reject Man’s errant teachings?

Back 33 years ago after I first learned of Jesus through reading the Gospels and gave my heart to Jesus, I visited about ten or more church denominations trying to find the disciples and yet the Holy Spirit would not let me stay with them. I didn’t feel they had been “taken out” from the world. But the Holy Spirit did let me stay with the Jehovah’s Witnesses…albeit for a certain “time.” I learned a foundation of scripture, yet got “massaged” into accepting a skewed interpretation of Bible Truth. The Holy Spirit then took me out of them but I wondered in a state of “upset” for two+ decades until I cried out to God for reconciliation.

Now for the past 6 years I’ve been working through the mental deconstruction of the Watchtower beliefs and trying to move beyond to a rightful relationship with The Father And Jesus. I am presented with the same dilemma as I view the landscape of churches and denominations easily able to identify wrong understandings in most cases. And so back to my question. While I do not look to man’s ministries to justify me in my faith, I do look to find Christians living an enlightened life in Christ for fellowship and to jointly praise God with. I meet people from time to time that show good qualities of being led by the spirit only to discover they have certain beliefs I don’t believe are scripturally sound.
How have you found fellowship after leaving WCG?

 

[LeeB]

Jesus had a GOD. John 20:17 2 Corinthians 11:17 2 Corinthian 1:3 1 Peter 1:3 Ephesians 1:3,17 Revelation 3:12 If Jesus was in the beginning with GOD then God would be his GOD . Psalm 2:9,10 says that GOD was not the GOD of Jesus until he was in his mothers womb. Isaiah 49:1,5,6 Jesus was formed or created in the womb to be GODS servant. Jesus did not exist in the beginning with GOD but was a created being and GOD became his GOD while in the womb of his mother. The FATHER, the only true GOD, was alone when HE created all things. Isaiah 44:24

In the old covenant writings Jesus was a prophetic figure and did not exist until GOD created, formed him in the womb. Jesus was 100% human, Jesus was a man. The FATHER has eternal attributes: omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscience, no one else has these abilities. Jesus was not the creator, the FATHER was.
The saints are to be recreated to be in the same image as Jesus who was created by the FATHER with the love and righteous character of the FATHER. 2 Corinthians 3:18 1 John 3:2 Romans 8:29 Jesus was the very first human being to be glorified, the first born of many brethren. The FATHER created Jesus with the divine nature of love and righteousness of which the saints at the resurrection will also possess. 2 Peter 1:4

Jesus was a human being created with the nature of his GOD and demonstrated that nature to us as the example of what we need to become. This will become reality for us in the first resurrection. Jesus was created in the image of the invisible GOD and we then recreated in the image of Jesus.

 

[LeeB]

LeeB
I appreciate your time in this discovery and your scriptural references. I don’t disagree with your conclusions as in myself I have constantly been asking God where can I fellowship in person if possible with fellow believers when so far I have not identified a church (man organization specifically) that doesn’t teach something that seems inconsistent with scripture. Certainly, while our salvation is only through Jesus Christ, we as humans need to associate with each other. How do we discern where we can find the believers that also accept God’s Word but reject Man’s errant teachings?

Back 33 years ago after I first learned of Jesus through reading the Gospels and gave my heart to Jesus, I visited about ten or more church denominations trying to find the disciples and yet the Holy Spirit would not let me stay with them. I didn’t feel they had been “taken out” from the world. But the Holy Spirit did let me stay with the Jehovah’s Witnesses…albeit for a certain “time.” I learned a foundation of scripture, yet got “massaged” into accepting a skewed interpretation of Bible Truth. The Holy Spirit then took me out of them but I wondered in a state of “upset” for two+ decades until I cried out to God for reconciliation.

Now for the past 6 years I’ve been working through the mental deconstruction of the Watchtower beliefs and trying to move beyond to a rightful relationship with The Father And Jesus. I am presented with the same dilemma as I view the landscape of churches and denominations easily able to identify wrong understandings in most cases. And so back to my question. While I do not look to man’s ministries to justify me in my faith, I do look to find Christians living an enlightened life in Christ for fellowship and to jointly praise God with. I meet people from time to time that show good qualities of being led by the spirit only to discover they have certain beliefs I don’t believe are scripturally sound.
How have you found fellowship after leaving WCG?

Yes. I fellowship with 4 others, 3 locally and 1 who lives in Florida. Even if a person is physically alone GOD and Christ are still with them and will never forsake them. We acknowledge no church led by men. Our leader is Jesus and our teacher is The FATHER through Jesus. There are over 55,000 different denominations and if you took 1 month to examine each one it would take over 4,500 years to complete. The answer is not in these churches. The FATHER is calling people out of these churches not into them. These churches are modern day Babylon. Revelation 12:9 2 Corinthians 6:17 2 Corinthians 11:13,14,15 You did well to go to the FATHER for help continue doing so and forget men.

 

[DJ-Hopskipper]

I don't think you understood the #2 argument. You have said Jesus was 100% man, but didn't say that Jesus was also 100% God in that He was formed in the womb of Mary by the transference of the WORD (John 1:1,14) by the Holy Spirit into Mary. He came from Heaven from the Father. Col 2:9 says the whole fullness of the deity dwells in him in bodily form. Titus 2:13 states our hope is in the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Though Jesus was a man, in his nature, he was the EXACT imprint of his Father's Nature. That is because his Father was THE Father yet he was WITH the Father in the beginning as the Pre-Jesus WORD. Jesus was not formed in Mary from a human man, but from a part of GOD.

The Word being with God in the beginning was also God, but emptied himself taking on the form of a servant-the man Jesus. Phil 2:6-8. It may not be an easy concept for men to grasp, perhaps that is why some refer to it as the mystery of God. But God put his WORD into Mary so that he could become the savior Jesus, the final atonement of sin for mankind's redemption. Jehovah is the memorial name of God. But everything God has done, he has done and spoken by the WORD and through the WORD. There is scriptural support for the identity of Jehovah (the four letters) as being the ONE GOD which is the Father and the Word (who became the son) and the power of the Holy Spirit. When the Word became Jesus, he also became the Christ or Messiah. This is why we can say God is correct when he says there is only one true God and the one he sent forth, Jesus Christ. Jehovah is not just comprised of the Father.

In Genesis we have multiple scriptures using the Hebrew word "Elohim." It is a plural noun used to refer to the one true God indicating a "plurality of majesty." Genesis 1:26 uses the word "let us" which fits perfectly into John 1:1 which says the WORD was with God and was God. Eccl 12:1 uses the Hebrew word "Bore'ekha" where the word Creator is in the plural form but refers to the singular God. Elohim indicates, while singular in action and meaning, carries a plural expression that points to the complex unity of God.

After Jesus' resurrection, he became a NEW CREATION in which the first MAN took on the Spiritual Body of incorruption. He ascended to sit at the right hand of the FATHER. In Psalm 110:1 The Lord Yahweh said to my Lord 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool'. As we unite our hearts with Jesus and his act on the cross, we live in faith of his promise that he will return, and where he is we will also be. We have the promise of a change from the mortality of our bodies to the incorruptible bodies in the spirit like him at his return. We who are faithful will take on spiritual bodies like Jesus able to be in the physical realm and the spiritual realm.

But Jesus is not the Father. He made clear while on earth that we should pray to the Father in his name. While on earth he was a humble servant to do the Father's will of the redemptive work on the cross and to prepare the way for many in the human family to join him in relationship to the Father for eternal life in the Kingdom of God.

I apologize as I am unfamiliar with how to energize my scriptures so they can be hot link pop ups.

 

[DJ-Hopskipper]

Yes. I fellowship with 4 others, 3 locally and 1 who lives in Florida. Even if a person is physically alone GOD and Christ are still with them and will never forsake them. We acknowledge no church led by men. Our leader is Jesus and our teacher is The FATHER through Jesus. There are over 55,000 different denominations and if you took 1 month to examine each one it would take over 4,500 years to complete. The answer is not in these churches. The FATHER is calling people out of these churches not into them. These churches are modern day Babylon. Revelation 12:9 2 Corinthians 6:17 2 Corinthians 11:13,14,15 You did well to go to the FATHER for help continue doing so and forget men.

How did your find the 3 locally? How do you find others of like mind? I think its important to fellowship in person and yet if not possible to certainly fellowship online with like minded believers who take in only the pure word of God and dismiss man made doctrines and made up words to describe their beliefs. God is who he says he in the scriptures and not some made up words man uses to convey what actually is only confusion supporting the Babylon the Great empire of false religion.

 

[LeeB]

Yes. I fellowship with 4 others, 3 locally and 1 who lives in Florida. Even if a person is physically alone GOD and Christ are still with them and will never forsake them. We acknowledge no church led by men. Our leader is Jesus and our teacher is The FATHER through Jesus. There are over 55,000 different denominations and if you took 1 month to examine each one it would take over 4,500 years to complete. The answer is not in these churches. The FATHER is calling people out of these churches not into them. These churches are modern day Babylon. Revelation 12:9 2 Corinthians 6:17 2 Corinthians 11:13,14,15 You did well to go to the FATHER for help continue doing so and forget men.

Where are you located ? What is your age ? Are you married ?

 

[LeeB]

I don't think you understood the #2 argument. You have said Jesus was 100% man, but didn't say that Jesus was also 100% God in that He was formed in the womb of Mary by the transference of the WORD (John 1:1,14) by the Holy Spirit into Mary. He came from Heaven from the Father. Col 2:9 says the whole fullness of the deity dwells in him in bodily form. Titus 2:13 states our hope is in the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Though Jesus was a man, in his nature, he was the EXACT imprint of his Father's Nature. That is because his Father was THE Father yet he was WITH the Father in the beginning as the Pre-Jesus WORD. Jesus was not formed in Mary from a human man, but from a part of GOD.

The Word being with God in the beginning was also God, but emptied himself taking on the form of a servant-the man Jesus. Phil 2:6-8. It may not be an easy concept for men to grasp, perhaps that is why some refer to it as the mystery of God. But God put his WORD into Mary so that he could become the savior Jesus, the final atonement of sin for mankind's redemption. Jehovah is the memorial name of God. But everything God has done, he has done and spoken by the WORD and through the WORD. There is scriptural support for the identity of Jehovah (the four letters) as being the ONE GOD which is the Father and the Word (who became the son) and the power of the Holy Spirit. When the Word became Jesus, he also became the Christ or Messiah. This is why we can say God is correct when he says there is only one true God and the one he sent forth, Jesus Christ. Jehovah is not just comprised of the Father.

In Genesis we have multiple scriptures using the Hebrew word "Elohim." It is a plural noun used to refer to the one true God indicating a "plurality of majesty." Genesis 1:26 uses the word "let us" which fits perfectly into John 1:1 which says the WORD was with God and was God. Eccl 12:1 uses the Hebrew word "Bore'ekha" where the word Creator is in the plural form but refers to the singular God. Elohim indicates, while singular in action and meaning, carries a plural expression that points to the complex unity of God.

After Jesus' resurrection, he became a NEW CREATION in which the first MAN took on the Spiritual Body of incorruption. He ascended to sit at the right hand of the FATHER. In Psalm 110:1 The Lord Yahweh said to my Lord 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool'. As we unite our hearts with Jesus and his act on the cross, we live in faith of his promise that he will return, and where he is we will also be. We have the promise of a change from the mortality of our bodies to the incorruptible bodies in the spirit like him at his return. We who are faithful will take on spiritual bodies like Jesus able to be in the physical realm and the spiritual realm.

But Jesus is not the Father. He made clear while on earth that we should pray to the Father in his name. While on earth he was a humble servant to do the Father's will of the redemptive work on the cross and to prepare the way for many in the human family to join him in relationship to the Father for eternal life in the Kingdom of God.

I apologize as I am unfamiliar with how to energize my scriptures so they can be hot link pop ups.

Elohim can refer to God, angels or men and it literally means “a mighty one” however there is only one who is El Shaddai, the “all mighty”. Jesus was an Elohim and our future is to become Elohim. It is only in the last days that Jesus was the word, the logos, not in times past. Hebrews 1:1,2 Jesus did not pre-exist and was created by the FATHER in the womb of Mary and it was only at that time that GOD became the GOD of Jesus Christ. If you were to check out the verses that seem to indicate otherwise with a good concordance and Interlinear you will find that modern translations are inaccurate. Most translations today were done by trinitarians and many verses of scripture have been altered by them to support their trinity idea. Some examples are 1 John 5:7 Matthew 28:19 2 Corinthians 13:14 Also how can Christ be the heir of everything that was made if people say he was the creator, that idea makes him his own heir. To pre-exist would mean your eternal just as The FATHER is eternal, no beginning, no end. This of necessity means that you must also be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Only the FATHER is all these things. The FATHER will under no circumstances give the attributes to anyone else. Isaiah 43:8 Psalm 48:11 Isaiah 46:9 Psalm 83:18 Jesus called the saints gods as well as David , psalm 82:6 John 10:34,35,36 Psalm 82:1,6,7,8

 

[Outcast]

I think we have seen quite often how the words "god" and "God" cause confusion. In the time of the Jews before the time of Yeshua, god was used for a great many people just like lord is today.

I often use an interlinear bible simply because real meaning is hidden by the words chosen by translators - and the replacement of God's name Yahweh with Lord has made it more easy to sway people into not comprehending the difference between the Father and the Son. Even sadder is how the original writings of the New Testament are non-existent, so we do not get to see the Father's name in those scriptures either.

I wish a warm welcome to DJ-Hopskipper to the website. I is great to see someone looking for God's truth rather than man's.

 

[LeeB]

The GOD head is only the FATHER. 1 Corinthians 11:3 The word head is Strongs G2776 it means ; head, ruler, lord Ephesians 1:22 Hebrews 3:4 The GOD head is not a shared thing. Jesus can’t be a part of the head if the head over him is GOD. The expression “Godhead” is Strongs G2320 means the state of being GOD ALMIGHTY.

 

[LeeB]

How did your find the 3 locally? How do you find others of like mind? I think its important to fellowship in person and yet if not possible to certainly fellowship online with like minded believers who take in only the pure word of God and dismiss man made doctrines and made up words to describe their beliefs. God is who he says he in the scriptures and not some made up words man uses to convey what actually is only confusion supporting the Babylon the Great empire of false religion.

The three locally; 2 I had known from the days in the WCG and we all left together as that organization was falling apart. The other local I married 26 years ago when I was visiting my daughter in Florida. The other living in Florida I met about 2 years ago by what appeared to be an accident and since then we have on rare occasions fellowshipped together. We all are willing to hear one another out concerning GODS truth and are very careful not to make a doctrine out of only a few verses or speculation. All of us are taught by the FATHERS spirit that will bring us all into complete unity. We all have on one occasion taken the bread and wine together. It is difficult to meet on any regular schedule as we all have responsibilities in life that we must see to. We have no special day, no human leader and love one another with the love the spirit has given to the saints. Through all these things combined we have grown spiritually.

 

[Outcast]

The three locally; 2 I had known from the days in the WCG and we all left together as that organization was falling apart. The other local I married 26 years ago when I was visiting my daughter in Florida. The other living in Florida I met about 2 years ago by what appeared to be an accident and since then we have on rare occasions fellowshipped together. We all are willing to hear one another out concerning GODS truth and are very careful not to make a doctrine out of only a few verses or speculation. All of us are taught by the FATHERS spirit that will bring us all into complete unity. We all have on one occasion taken the bread and wine together. It is difficult to meet on any regular schedule as we all have responsibilities in life that we must see to. We have no special day, no human leader and love one another with the love the spirit has given to the saints. Through all these things combined we have grown spiritually.

It is initially a difficult thing to climb out of the pit that man has created and calls "church." In truth, though, I didn't decide for myself to do it - I was drawn out of it. Without the conviction of truth that Yeshua gave to me, it believe it wouldn't have happened. If was painful for me, but I had no other choice than to believe what God's spirit gave me.

My growth, however, has happened here since then. I still need community and to see the views and understandings of others - not to teach me - but to show me the ways that I could understand what scripture states. Then I pray for the conviction that comes to me to establish truth. It doesn't happen like putting a coin in a vending machine. It is always at God's timing. But, that is good. That way I still have community, encouragement, and the humility I need in order to persist in searching.

 

[LeeB]

All humans have a human spirit also called the Spirit of man, the breath of life. This human spirit is what we really are and how we were created in GODS image and likeness because GOD is not flesh and blood, HE is spirit. John4:24 All human beings, their human spirit comes from GOD, not Just Jesus but all of us, and at death returns to GOD. Ecclesiastes 12:7 Luke 23:46 Humans are a spirit in a temporary body of dust.