Video Summary Wrath or Love? Wrath Satisfaction vs Christus Victor, Part 1.

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Everyone knows Jesus died on the cross "for sins." But have you ever asked "How does that even work?" If so, you probably got answers like, “Because the Bible says so,” or “Just have faith that it does,” or (if you're really lucky), “Because God dumped all his wrath on Jesus while he hung on the cross." Wrath vs Love? is the first video in the three-part series The Gospel No Ever Taught You, which explores two opposing atonement theories: Satisfaction of Wrath and Christus Victor. Level up your Sword and your Boots and discover just HOW Jesus' death saves you. War of the Gods: The Bible in Screenplay Format

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From Lucifer’s attempt to usurp Yahweh’s throne to his overthrow as the god of this world, War of the Gods: The Bible in Screenplay Format is a cinematic overview of the entire Bible. Explore Genesis to Revelation—and everything in between—with this visual, fast-paced guide. Transform your understanding of Scripture and discover your role in the epic battle between God and Satan, angels and demons, good and evil.


Summary​

  • The Wrath Satisfaction Atonement Theory explains that humanity's separation from God occurred due to sin, which invoked God's wrath. Jesus' sacrificial death satisfied this wrath, thus allowing for reconciliation between God and humanity.
  • Understanding both the "what" and "how" of the Gospel is crucial because it gives believers a comprehensive view of the theological implications of Christ's sacrifice, enhancing their faith and equipping them to navigate spiritual challenges.
  • The spiritual divorce reflects humanity's choices to engage in behaviors contrary to divine teachings, leading to a distance from God. Many believe reconciliation involves recognizing this divide and actively choosing to return to God through faith and obedience.
  • The Tree of Life symbolizes the potential for eternal life and direct communion with God. Adam and Eve's banishment from the tree represents the loss of that promise due to sin.
  • Atonement theories like Wrath Satisfaction and Christus Victor provide different perspectives on the nature of sin, estrangement, and redemption, influencing how believers interpret the significance of Jesus' sacrifice in the context of God's love and justice.
  • The church serves as a vessel for showcasing God’s rich wisdom and purpose to spiritual authorities, thereby fulfilling a crucial role in the divine narrative of redemption and enlightenment.

Wrath or Love? Wrath Satisfaction vs Christus Victor, Part 1.

The Gospel: Simplification and Understanding 00:32

"The gospel is often simplified as Jesus died so you can go to heaven when you die."
  • The common understanding of the Gospel is often condensed to a single phrase stating that Jesus' death grants eternal life or allows people to enter heaven after death.
  • This condensation, however, oversimplifies a profound theological principle. It's crucial to realize that while Jesus' death is significant, understanding the mechanisms behind this act—the "how"—is equally important.
  • The video emphasizes that many teachings focus solely on the "what" of the Gospel, omitting the necessary details about the "how" and failing to equip believers for deeper spiritual understanding.

Wrath Satisfaction Atonement Theory 03:26

"According to wrath satisfaction, man and God lived in harmony in the Garden of Eden."
  • The Wrath Satisfaction Atonement Theory articulates that God and humanity initially coexisted peacefully in the Garden of Eden until sin disrupted this harmony.
  • The separation between God and humans was initiated by mankind's disobedience, specifically through the actions of Adam and Eve.
  • This disobedience, which resulted in sin entering the world, invoked God's wrath. Consequently, humanity was estranged from God, unable to be in His presence due to sin.
  • The theory holds that Jesus’ death was necessary to appease the wrath of God, allowing for reconciliation between humanity and God.

The Role of Sin and Reconciliation 04:28

"Sin is the villain of redemptive history."
  • Sin is depicted as the principal antagonist in the narrative of redemption, representing the force that creates a barrier between God and humankind.
  • The reconciliation between humanity and God is only made possible through the death of Jesus, which satisfied God’s wrath against sin, thus removing the wedge that separated believers from divine communion.
  • This theological framework reinforces the notion that without Christ's atoning sacrifice, eternal separation from God remains a consequence of sin.

The Nature of Separation from God 09:25

"The wages of sin is physical death; however, Adam and Eve still had fellowship with God."
  • The Bible discusses the consequences of sin as physical death, particularly referencing Adam and Eve's banishment from the Tree of Life in Eden. This separation did not imply estrangement from God, as Adam and Eve may have continued to have a relationship with Him, possibly walking together in the garden as Enoch did with God.
  • Their removal from the Tree of Life represents a severing of access to eternal life, but it did not end their fellowship or communication with God.
  • Cain’s punishment, being banished from God’s presence after murdering Abel, illustrates this point as he longed to remain near his family and God, highlighting the emotional turmoil associated with separation from the divine.

The Concept of Divorce in Scripture 10:40

"If God didn’t divorce us at Eden, then when did He divorce us, or did we divorce Him?"
  • The Apostle Paul in Romans discusses humanity's choice to reject God, describing how wickedness leads to suppressing truth. Humans are said to have known God but chose not to worship Him, leading to confusion and idolatry. Instead of honoring the Creator, they began worshipping creations, which represents a form of spiritual divorce.
  • This rejection culminated at the Tower of Babel, where humanity united against Yahweh, leading to voluntary idolatry, preferring sinful lifestyles over obedience to God. At this point, it is said that mankind officially divorced God.

The Nature of Reconciliation with God 14:17

"What makes reconciliation with God possible again?"
  • The narrative suggests that reconciliation requires rejecting Satan and his influence. Humanity legally divorced God through sin, choosing to worship lesser beings.
  • However, simply wanting to return to God is complicated by the fact that Satan, as the god of this world, legally owns humanity because of this spiritual divorce. The transition back to a relationship with God involves recognizing this ownership and finding a pathway to freedom from Satan's claims.

The Role of Jesus in Redemption 16:42

"By orchestrating the events that led to the death of Jesus, Satan made a critical mistake."
  • Jesus, presented as a non-sinning human, represents the ultimate corporate representative who can challenge Satan’s ownership. When Satan killed Jesus, he inadvertently forfeited his legal right over humanity because he only possessed authority over the sinful.
  • The act of Jesus’ crucifixion nailed the contract between humanity and Satan to the cross, declaring it null and void. Thus, God, through Christ's sacrifice, offers a means to cancel the charges against humanity, ultimately disbanding the illegitimate claims that Satan held over people.

The Divine Purpose in the Church 18:25

"God's purpose was to use the church to display His wisdom and its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places."
  • The video discusses God's eternal plan to utilize the church as a means of revealing divine wisdom to spiritual authorities. This purpose was carried out through Jesus Christ, signaling a profound spiritual strategy hidden for ages.
  • The rulers of the world failed to grasp this divine plan; had they understood it, they would not have participated in the crucifixion of Jesus, a pivotal event in Christian belief.

The Nature of Sacrifice and Love 19:10

"This is a love story. God demonstrated His love towards us sinners that Jesus died for us."
  • The narrative is framed as a love story, illustrating God's immense love for humanity through the sacrifice of Jesus. This demonstrates an understanding of divine compassion, emphasizing that God's action was motivated by love rather than solely by the concepts of wrath or punishment.
  • The concept of God’s wrath is acknowledged but portrayed as part of a broader narrative that underscores God's willingness to redeem humanity at a significant cost.

Exploring Atonement Theories 19:33

"Let's sum up the four questions from both the wrath satisfaction perspective and the Christus Victor perspective."
  • The video contrasts two principal atonement theories: Wrath Satisfaction and Christus Victor. Each presents different views on key theological questions such as who initiated the separation between man and God, who killed Jesus, and who the villain is in redemptive history.
  • Wrath Satisfaction holds that God initiated estrangement due to sin, while Christus Victor suggests that humanity’s rejection of God caused the separation. This theological discussion encourages viewers to reflect on the complexities of redemption.

Wrath and Redemption 20:42

"The cross is about love, rescue, compassion, and self-sacrifice."
  • There is a clear delineation made about where the concept of God’s wrath fits within redemptive history. The video argues that while the wrath of God is significant, it does not dominate the narrative of the cross, which is fundamentally about love and salvation.
  • The video promises further exploration of reconciliation with God in forthcoming discussions, emphasizing the multifaceted nature of these theological concepts.
 

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Penal Substitution View
Romans 6:23

Wrath Satisfaction of Atonement Theory​

God divorced us because we sinned.

2. Sin is the villan of redemptive history
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3. Who Killed Jesus?
God

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Is 53:10
Note there is no need for Satan in this view

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Christus Victor Theory​

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Rom 5:12
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They were separated from the tree of life not God
Gen 5:24

Adam and Eve may have been fired from being God's Gardener, but they were not divorced from

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Worshiped other gods, idolotry
Paul is talking about point in
worship lesser elohim
Acts 17:24-31

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At Tower of Bible - they rejected Yahweh b/c they want to pursue sin - espcially sexual
The left Yahweh for another lover - so mankind divorced God

Adam (as our federal head or corporate representative) in essence transferred our authority to Satan - Satan now owns humanity, every single ethnic group
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How can we get out of this contract? We need Satan to forfeit his legal ownership or he needs to be in breech of contract.

What would this legal act be that would nullify the contract?


Heb 2:14 Satan wields the power of death over all humans b/c all sin
1 Cor 15:45, 47 - need another corporate representative (last adam and 2nd man) that did not sin

Gen 3:15 Satan knew of the prophecy of this one to come and crush his power
Luke 22:3 & John 13:2 Satan orchestrates events to have Jesus killed, thus violating contract and making it null and void

1 Pet 2:22 Satan did not have the legal right to wield the power of death over a non-sinning human

Col 2:14-15 Yahweh nailed contract to the cross
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#2 Who killed Jesus - Satan did - illigeally

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This is a love story!

What's missing from this story? God's wrath!

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How can we reject wrath?
We put it where it belongs? next video will explain
But it does not belong at the cross.
 
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I learned an important point from this video: WHY were Adam and Eve evicted from the Garden of Eden?
God mentions the reason in Gen. 3:23-24


My deconstruction: They had to leave the Garden because they forfeited access to the tree of life. This does not necessarily mean that God was not approachable any more (or that He was shunning them)!

Eve showed faith in Gods promise! She will be rewarded! Gen. 4:1, 25; Heb. 11:6 1 Tim. 2:14-15a
“SHE (singular!) will be saved in childbearing”

God didn’t stop loving her! YHWH is “merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty …(Ex. 34:5-7).

My Heavenly Father doesn’t reject me for being deceived! Heb. 8:12
(Although I feel the consequences - like Eve did)


God gave THE EXAMPLE - may we follow in faith!

Lukas 6:35-38

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Who killed Jesus?
  1. The Jews (John 19:15-16)
  2. The Roman’s (Mark 15:15)
  3. Judas (Mark 14:21)
  4. God (Is. 53:4)
  5. Satan (Gen.3:15)

It’s not this OR that, there are several perspectives.
 
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Who is the villain?

Sin?
Rom. 6:6-23


The Devil?
Heb. 2:14; John 8:44


It’s not sin OR the Devil, the Devil led humans to sin.
Both will be dealt with! Is. 11:9; Rom. 6:22-23; Rev. 20:10
 

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When YAHWEH created Adam and Eve HE did not create them evil or good as they had no idea of the knowledge of good and evil, no idea of what sin is. Spiritually Adam and Eve were blanks that needed filled in. The two trees were a choice concerning how or what way humanity would proceed. The choice would be made by Adam, not Eve, as YAHWEH gave Adam dominion, Adam was first formed, it is not in Eve that we all sin, Eve was deceived Adam was not. The only information provided to Adam was what YAHWEH told him about the forbidden tree, that is all Adam knew. When the time of the test came Adam harkened to the voice of his wife and not to the voice of his GOD. Adam loved his wife more than his GOD. By going against GODS will and disobeying HIS command sin entered the world and with it death. This death passed down to all humanity. In this account of Genesis is the message of the gospel. Eve saved by child bearing was that her daughter in the future would give birth to a son who would correct the Eden error. Even though Eve ate the fruit first her eyes were not opened until Adam ate, then the eyes of both of them were opened to the knowledge of good and evil. Adam was before this the god of this world but now Satan took this title from Adam but the second Adam regains it. The fact a choice was presented proves free will even though GOD in eternity knew what would happen. The two trees represent the two covenants.
 

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Satan does NOT own us (she states he does)

We belong to YHWH! (Eze 18:4; Rom. 14:8; Psalm 107: 1-3 ff)

But Satan can request God to test us (Job 1:12; 2:6; Luke 22:31; James 1:2-4)
 
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Only those in Christ belong to Christ. Romans 8:14
Acts 26:18
2 Timothy 2:26
John 8:44
1 Peter 5:8
 

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Her book - which I can't find on Amazom?

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Penal Substitution View
Romans 6:23

Wrath Satisfaction of Atonement Theory​

God divorced us because we sinned.

2. Sin is the villan of redemptive history
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3. Who Killed Jesus?
God

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Is 53:10
Note there is no need for Satan in this view

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Christus Victor Theory​

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Rom 5:12
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They were separated from the tree of life not God
Gen 5:24

Adam and Eve may have been fired from being God's Gardener, but they were not divorced from

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Worshiped other gods, idolotry
Paul is talking about point in
worship lesser elohim
Acts 17:24-31

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At Tower of Bible - they rejected Yahweh b/c they want to pursue sin - espcially sexual
The left Yahweh for another lover - so mankind divorced God

Adam (as our federal head or corporate representative) in essence transferred our authority to Satan - Satan now owns humanity, every single ethnic group
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How can we get out of this contract? We need Satan to forfeit his legal ownership or he needs to be in breech of contract.

What would this legal act be that would nullify the contract?


Heb 2:14 Satan wields the power of death over all humans b/c all sin
1 Cor 15:45, 47 - need another corporate representative (last adam and 2nd man) that did not sin

Gen 3:15 Satan knew of the prophecy of this one to come and crush his power
Luke 22:3 & John 13:2 Satan orchestrates events to have Jesus killed, thus violating contract and making it null and void

1 Pet 2:22 Satan did not have the legal right to wield the power of death over a non-sinning human

Col 2:14-15 Yahweh nailed contract to the cross
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#2 Who killed Jesus - Satan did - illigeally

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This is a love story!

What's missing from this story? God's wrath!

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How can we reject wrath?
We put it where it belongs? next video will explain
But it does not belong at the cross.
Good Morning, After prayer and giving the above some thought I would say Obeying GOD and being reconciled to Him makes the difference, https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=675&q=To+Whom+You+Ought+To+Obey+unto+righteousness/scripture&cvid=c6b9b959f78d4468afea601c5c22b56c&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOdIBCjE3MTk2NWowajGoAgWwAgE&FORM=ANNTA1&adppc=EDGEXST&PC=U531

1 Corinthians 6

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

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2 Corinthians 5

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

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Petunia

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Good morning Walter and Debbie,

Indeed, as you say: “his servants ye are to whom ye obey”

People can choose to obey God and serve Him or choose to serve Satan by doing his work and even sell their soul to him.

We made our choice!
1 Cor. 6:11, 19-20