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WHAT CAN THE DEVIL DO TO ME ?


The Devil is a former archangel named Lucifer who led a rebellion against GOD. The Devil is GODS enemy along with a third of the angels that joined him in the rebellion called demons. Scripture mentions only three archangels; Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer. Archangels are the most powerful angels and each one had a third of all other angels under their command. All angels are immortal spirit beings that actually experience GOD in all of HIS glory. Angels were created with what humanity would call salvation.

Angels have free will and at the very beginning of their existence were similar to Adam in that they needed tested and this rebellion became their test.
Satan discovered GODS plan to create humanity and give to them all of what GOD created making humans HIS heirs. Satans pride and vanity led him to rebel against GOD. Satan was defeated by the two thirds of the angels that remained loyal to GOD. Then GOD sealed in righteousness those angels who were loyal to HIM. The fallen angels will in the future be cast into outer darkness forever. Now the question here is what are Satan and the demons capable of doing and what can they do to humans ?

Satan and the demons can effect the weather, pass through physical things, appear as a ghost like person imitating the dead but cannot assume solid form. Satan can make you sick both physically and mentally. Satan can kill you. Satan can cause you to sin. Satan knows things about humans and just what to tempt them with. Satan can possess your body and suppress your human spirit to gain total control of your body. Unconverted humanity is subject to all of these Satanic abilities unless GOD disallows it. The elect of GOD can be tempted by Satan but his remaining abilities against HIS elect are disallowed by GOD.
Satan has a kingdom that GOD separated HIS kingdom from on the first day of creation when HE separated light from darkness. Satan became the god of the world when Adam lost the dominion GOD gave to him to Satan because Adam sinned. As god of the world the true GOD permits Satan to have control or dominion to place humans as leaders under his influence and through them control the nations leading them into sin and death. GOD sent HIS son Jesus to us to conquer Satan and destroy all of Satans works to regain the dominion Adam lost and make possible salvation to all those his FATHER would elect from this current evil age. The fallen angels are the enemies of GOD and humanity but the holy angels are ministers to those who GOD has elected to be heirs of salvation. GOD does not give this aid and help by the holy angels to the unconverted or any other creature. While Satan may yet tempt the elect his other abilities have been ended. The only way for Satan to gain control of one of GODS elect is for that elect to willingly with knowledge commit the unpardonable sin. Satan is yet under the control of GOD but GOD allows Satan to function as god of this world except over HIS elect by keeping them from the evil one.
What is being done by GOD to HIS elect now will be repeated in the millennium and the second resurrection. This is not the only day of salvation.
 
WHAT CAN THE DEVIL DO TO ME ?

Angels have free will and at the very beginning of their existence were similar to Adam in that they needed tested and this rebellion became their test.

Satan discovered GODS plan to create humanity and give to them all of what GOD created making humans HIS heirs. Satans pride and vanity led him to rebel against GOD. Satan was defeated by the two thirds of the angels that remained loyal to GOD. Then GOD sealed in righteousness those angels who were loyal to HIM. The fallen angels will in the future be cast into outer darkness forever. Now the question here is what are Satan and the demons capable of doing and what can they do to humans ?

LeeB, I'm interested in the source behind something you have written. I don't think I've ever read this before.

Thanks
 
Ezekiel 28:17 Satans spirit was lifted up or he was exalting himself, he wanted to be in YAHWEHS position he was jealous an envious because his beauty corrupted him by reason of his brightness. There had to be a motive for Lucifer to go over the edge, to want to replace YAHWEH. Satan was obviously thinking that he deserved to be even above YAHWEH. Satan had to come to knowledge of YAHWEHS plan for humanity as he was one of three archangels that YAHWEH would use to carry out that plan and would also know about YAHWEH having a son who would be heir of all creation meaning angels too. Well this did not go over well with Lucifer and a third of the other angels under his command. Jesus said Satan was a murderer “from the beginning “ or from the moment of his creation. Jesus was created better than all the angels and all angels were required to worship him. All these things had to be known by all the angels since YAHWEH created them as YAHWEH would have informed them all of the reason they exist. Unto which of the angels did YAHWEH SAY AT ANY TIME, sit on my righ hand till I make your enemies your footstool, AT ANY TIME. This from the very beginning disqualifies Lucifer from any hope at all of being as important as he thought he should be. How this must have enraged him and his angels to do the unthinkable .
 
Ezekiel 28:17 Satans spirit was lifted up or he was exalting himself, he wanted to be in YAHWEHS position he was jealous an envious because his beauty corrupted him by reason of his brightness. There had to be a motive for Lucifer to go over the edge, to want to replace YAHWEH. Satan was obviously thinking that he deserved to be even above YAHWEH. Satan had to come to knowledge of YAHWEHS plan for humanity as he was one of three archangels that YAHWEH would use to carry out that plan and would also know about YAHWEH having a son who would be heir of all creation meaning angels too. Well this did not go over well with Lucifer and a third of the other angels under his command. Jesus said Satan was a murderer “from the beginning “ or from the moment of his creation. Jesus was created better than all the angels and all angels were required to worship him. All these things had to be known by all the angels since YAHWEH created them as YAHWEH would have informed them all of the reason they exist. Unto which of the angels did YAHWEH SAY AT ANY TIME, sit on my righ hand till I make your enemies your footstool, AT ANY TIME. This from the very beginning disqualifies Lucifer from any hope at all of being as important as he thought he should be. How this must have enraged him and his angels to do the unthinkable .
Yes, thank you. I'm familiar with the passages in Ezekiel. I will take it then that you think these passages are not about a human being? I know there are preachers in churches that equivalate this passage with Satan, but I know of no other place that firms that belief for me. I think, because I heard it to many times in my past life, it is easy to let myself think that way again, but now I question it.

I also, the idea of the Angels required to be tested? I am lost as to the source of that as well.

I guess there is a lot that I have missed or don't remember.
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When YAHWEH created the angels HE gave them free will just as HE did humans. YAHWEH did not create angels righteous nor did HE create humans righteous. The fact that a third of the angels sinned is proof they were not created righteous and that Adam sinned was proof he was not righteous. Two thirds of the angels did not sin, they by free will loved and obeyed YAHWEH, then YAHWEH sealed them in righteousness and now they are called the righteous angels. In the conversion of humans YAHWEH imputes to them HIS righteousness because of their faith and the reward of the faithful is immortality and impeccability or righteousness inherent, by nature, just as YAHWEH , Christ and the Holy angels. So both angels and humans were tested . There is no other sentient being that YAHWEH created that was created righteous except Yeshua. All others were tested and allowed to use their free will to decide to love YAHWEH or not. This is why the life of Yeshua was so precious to YAHWEH and why the life of Christ higher than the angels so much that YAHWEH commanded the angels to worship Yeshua. Jesus was righteous in his mother’s womb. What is righteousness ? Righteousness is agape in action, agape is a verb, talk is cheap, actions speak volumes. Jesus had agape living in righteousness just as YAHWEH does. Jesus told us his FATHER sealed him as HE sealed the holy angels and the glorified righteous saints. John 6:27 Revelation 7:3 Mark 12:25 This seal is the seal of righteousness and agape. We partake of the divine nature of YAHWEH HIMSELF as demonstrated to us by Yeshua.
 
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Yes, thank you. I'm familiar with the passages in Ezekiel. I will take it then that you think these passages are not about a human being? I know there are preachers in churches that equivalate this passage with Satan, but I know of no other place that firms that belief for me. I think, because I heard it to many times in my past life, it is easy to let myself think that way again, but now I question it.

I also, the idea of the Angels required to be tested? I am lost as to the source of that as well.

I guess there is a lot that I have missed or don't remember.
Thanks
There is also Ezekiel 28:13,14,15,16,17,18,19 Isaiah 14:12,13,14,15 Revelation 12:7,8,9
 
I can see that there is a way to associate the reference in Ezekiel but the conflict with the reference to both the Prince of Tyre and the King of Tyre. As for the port of Tyre, it is referred to many times in the Old Testament, and the things written speak of the fall of the Kind of Tyre.

Isa 23:1-18 Wail, O ships of Tarshish, for Tyre is laid waste, without house or harbor! From the land of Cyprus it is revealed to them. 2 Be still, O inhabitants of the coast; the merchants of Sidon, who cross the sea, have filled you. 3 And on many waters your revenue was the grain of Shihor, the harvest of the Nile; you were the merchant of the nations. 4 Be ashamed, O Sidon, for the sea has spoken, the stronghold of the sea, saying: “I have neither labored nor given birth, I have neither reared young men nor brought up young women.” 5 When the report comes to Egypt, they will be in anguish over the report about Tyre. 6 Cross over to Tarshish; wail, O inhabitants of the coast!
7 Is this your exultant city whose origin is from days of old, whose feet carried her to settle far away? 8 Who has purposed this against Tyre, the bestower of crowns, whose merchants were princes, whose traders were the honored of the earth?
9 Yahweh of hosts has purposed it, to defile the pompous pride of all glory, to dishonor all the honored of the earth. 10 Cross over your land like the Nile, O daughter of Tarshish; there is no restraint anymore. 11 He has stretched out his hand over the sea; he has shaken the kingdoms; Yahweh has given command concerning Canaan to destroy its strongholds. 12 And he said: “You will no more exult, O oppressed virgin daughter of Sidon; arise, cross over to Cyprus, even there you will have no rest.”
13 Behold the land of the Chaldeans! This is the people that was not; Assyria destined it for wild beasts. They erected their siege towers, they stripped her palaces bare, they made her a ruin. 14 Wail, O ships of Tarshish, for your stronghold is laid waste. 15 In that day Tyre will be forgotten for seventy years, like the days of one king. At the end of seventy years, it will happen to Tyre as in the song of the prostitute: 16 “Take a harp; go about the city, O forgotten prostitute! Make sweet melody; sing many songs, that you may be remembered.”
17 At the end of seventy years, Yahweh will visit Tyre, and she will return to her wages and will prostitute herself with all the kingdoms of the world on the face of the earth. 18 Her merchandise and her wages will be holy to Yahweh. It will not be stored or hoarded, but her merchandise will supply abundant food and fine clothing for those who dwell before Yahweh.


Is 24:1–3 Behold, Yahweh will empty the earth and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants. 2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the slave, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the creditor, so with the debtor. 3 The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered; for Yahweh has spoken this word.

Jer 27:1-11 In the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah the son of Josiah, king of Judah, this word came to Jeremiah from Yahweh. 2 Thus Yahweh said to me: “Make yourself straps and yoke-bars, and put them on your neck. 3 Send word to the king of Edom, the king of Moab, the king of the sons of Ammon, the king of Tyre, and the king of Sidon by the hand of the envoys who have come to Jerusalem to Zedekiah king of Judah. 4 Give them this charge for their masters: ‘Thus says the Yahweh of hosts, the God of Israel: This is what you shall say to your masters: 5 “It is I who by my great power and my outstretched arm have made the earth, with the men and animals that are on the earth, and I give it to whomever it seems right to me. 6 Now I have given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, my servant, and I have given him also the beasts of the field to serve him. 7 All the nations shall serve him and his son and his grandson, until the time of his own land comes. Then many nations and great kings shall make him their slave.
8 “But if any nation or kingdom will not serve this Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence, declares Yahweh, until I have consumed it by his hand. 9 So do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your fortune-tellers, or your sorcerers, who are saying to you, ‘You shall not serve the king of Babylon.’ 10 For it is a lie that they are prophesying to you, with the result that you will be removed far from your land, and I will drive you out, and you will perish. 11 But any nation that will bring its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serve him, I will leave on its own land, to work it and dwell there, declares Yahweh.” ’


Joel 3:4-8 4 “What are you to me, O Tyre and Sidon, and all the regions of Philistia? Are you paying me back for something? If you are paying me back, I will return your payment on your own head swiftly and speedily. 5 For you have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried my rich treasures into your temples. 6 You have sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks in order to remove them far from their own border. 7 Behold, I will stir them up from the place to which you have sold them, and I will return your payment on your own head. 8 I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, to a nation far away, for Yahweh has spoken.”

Amos 1:9-10 Thus says Yahweh: “For three transgressions of Tyre, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because they delivered up a whole people to Edom, and did not remember the covenant of brotherhood. So I will send a fire upon the wall of Tyre, and it shall devour her strongholds.

Ancient writers referred to Tyre as a center of idolatry and sexual immorality. The biblical prophets rebuked Tyre for its pride because of great wealth and their being a good shipping port. It has beed thought that the king of Tyre was possessed by Satan.

Like Satan, the human king of Tyre was prideful. He claimed that the successes of Tyre was due to his leadership. It is typical of the prideful with wealth, they often desire even more and will result in their taking advantage of other nations to gain more. But like Satan, his pride led to his fall and destruction. Yahweh removed it all. Ezekiel’s prophecy of Tyre’s total destruction was fulfilled partially by Nebuchadnezzar (Ezekiel 29:17–21) and then by Alexander the Great.

I try to be careful that I not use the typical method of the churches of making a link between passages that are not obvious. With all these other references to the fall of the King of Tyre, and not having but peripheral references that could also be said of Satan, I am left with some uncertainty. At one time, the Prince of King of Tyre enjoyed the blessings of Yahweh - but Yahweh removed them. As I once suggested, sometimes a prophecy happens twice to two different groups - a parallel prophecy.

I am left, however, holding on to:

Lk 10:13–18 Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it will be more bearable in the judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You shall be brought down to Hades. “The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!” And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
I am aware that there are those who immediately are accused of all sorts of devilry when a long-held doctrine is questioned, but my task is to question until God gives me an answer. So, sharing my thoughts is the way I do my part in the conversation, right?
Certain passages we have pointed our deserve, in my opinion, more questions and thoughts. When a passage we accept offhand because we have had previous "spiritual leaders" give their opinions and we were at the point where we accepted them, it can be uncomfortable to have someone bring them up again with alternate thoughts. Well, without a different view, I may never see the possibility that I understood something incorrectly. So I offer this:

While we wonder why chapter 28 suddenly refers (supposedly) to the Garden of Eden, most don't consider that question. Not being an expert at such stuff, I do a little research to try to resolve the conundrum.

1. There is no longer a "garden of Eden" anywhere, After the flood of Noah, we hear nothing about it. Nor do we hear about anyone finding a true of Good and Evil or an earthly place for the Tree of Life.

The Hebrew words itself : gan H1588
bə·‘ê·ḏen Derived from the Hebrew root עָדַן (adan), meaning "to be soft or pleasant." This term is found only in Genesis 2:8 and Ezekiel 28:13.

Literally the term means "a pleasant place" Translators typically say "Garden of Eden" which, at that time, was nowhere to be found. When this was written, there was no original Garden of Eden as the first dwelling of Adam and Eve.

Eze 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.

The actual definition of "cherub" is flexible. It simply refers to a "guard" or a "cover" Its use defines it.

Is 14:3–23 When the LORD has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: “How the oppressor has ceased, the insolent fury ceased! 5 The LORD has broken the staff of the wicked, the scepter of rulers, 6 that struck the peoples in wrath with unceasing blows, that ruled the nations in anger with unrelenting persecution. 7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet; they break forth into singing. 8 The cypresses rejoice at you, the cedars of Lebanon, saying, ‘Since you were laid low, no woodcutter comes up against us.’
9 Sheol beneath is stirred up to meet you when you come; it rouses the shades to greet you, all who were leaders of the earth; it raises from their thrones all who were kings of the nations. 10 All of them will answer and say to you:
‘You too have become as weak as we! You have become like us!’ 11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers.

The following passage is attributed to Satan, but examination of the words defeat that understanding.

12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! 13 You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’
15 But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit. 16 Those who see you will stare at you and ponder over you: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, 17 who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who did not let his prisoners go home?’ 18 All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb; 19 but you are cast out, away from your grave, like a loathed branch, clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword, who go down to the stones of the pit, like a dead body trampled underfoot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial, because you have destroyed your land, you have slain your people. “May the offspring of evildoers nevermore be named!
21 Prepare slaughter for his sons because of the guilt of their fathers, lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the face of the world with cities.” 22 “I will rise up against them,” declares the LORD of hosts, “and will cut off from Babylon name and remnant, descendants and posterity,” declares the LORD. 23 “And I will make it a possession of the hedgehog,
and pools of water, and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction,” declares the LORD of hosts.
 
The actions of evil by human rulers are the result of Satanic inspiration. The one who appointed all the evil rulers is Satan and at times when both Satan and the rulers are discussed the identities may blur. Just as Psalm 89 with King David and Christ and their thrones. The confusion that exists about YAHWEH, Christ and the Holy Spirit is a result of a blur, of how carnal minds cannot distinguish the difference and end up with the trinity. The Holy Spirit spoke to Paul so the carnal mind thinks the Holy Spirit is a person of the trinity but we know the Holy Spirit is the FATHER. The confusion over the miracles done through Jesus by his FATHER and will the real creator stand up please !!! All this confusion all the evil has an author, Satan the Devil. Satan uses evil world rulers to destroy the way of our paths, to blind the eyes from seeing and the ears from hearing thus producing stiff necks and hard hearts. YAHWEH did punish these world rulers as recorded in scripture but has yet to punish the one who is their spiritual king, Satan. The prince of Persia, the king of Tyre, the king of Babylon et cetera all human but ruled by a wicked spirit. This is the lesson of Ephesians 6:12 that humans are only the flesh we see concerning all evil but the truth is in what cannot be seen.
 
The actions of evil by human rulers are the result of Satanic inspiration. The one who appointed all the evil rulers is Satan and at times when both Satan and the rulers are discussed the identities may blur. Just as Psalm 89 with King David and Christ and their thrones. The confusion that exists about YAHWEH, Christ and the Holy Spirit is a result of a blur, of how carnal minds cannot distinguish the difference and end up with the trinity. The Holy Spirit spoke to Paul so the carnal mind thinks the Holy Spirit is a person of the trinity but we know the Holy Spirit is the FATHER. The confusion over the miracles done through Jesus by his FATHER and will the real creator stand up please !!! All this confusion all the evil has an author, Satan the Devil. Satan uses evil world rulers to destroy the way of our paths, to blind the eyes from seeing and the ears from hearing thus producing stiff necks and hard hearts. YAHWEH did punish these world rulers as recorded in scripture but has yet to punish the one who is their spiritual king, Satan. The prince of Persia, the king of Tyre, the king of Babylon et cetera all human but ruled by a wicked spirit. This is the lesson of Ephesians 6:12 that humans are only the flesh we see concerning all evil but the truth is in what cannot be seen.
Thanks for this.

Whenever I read, hear, or see the actions of man in this world, my human side sees people. However, my spiritual side sees Satan and his minions at work. When a man has been converted to them, then evil owns him. I should not be shocked at his behavior.

Sometimes, when I think about my past, I see myself as part of that effort to confuse people. I don't like that thought at all.
 
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