General The Woman, The War In Heaven, The War On Earth

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Revelation 12

The Woman

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The War In Heaven

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The War On Earth

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Love, Walter And Debbie
 

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Wednesday 9-11-24 4th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Elul 7 5784 84th. Summer Day

Revelation 12

The Woman

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The War In Heaven

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The War On Earth

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Love, Walter And Debbie
Walter, can you interpret the meaning of this chapter ?
 

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Revelation 12:1 Most see this woman as the current nation of Israel.
However Romans 9:8 makes it clear that there were two groups that came from Abraham; one of physical or fleshy descent and one of the promise. Both of the groups were Israel but one was carnal and the other spiritual. Romans 4:13 was not to Israel under the law but through the righteousness that comes by faith. The promises of Abraham came through the line of people listed in Matthew 1:1-16 notice the line comes through the kings of Israel and Judah ending with Jesus the final king of Israel. Matthew 1:17 gives the short version of this. Jesus like Isaac was a child of promise and that promise passed from generation to generation to Christ. This explains Romans 9:8 in the correct way. The woman in Revelation 12:1 is not modern day Israel , it is spiritual Israel that had the promise. This woman is spiritual Israel and the names of many of them are recorded in Hebrews 11 the faith chapter, the righteousness of GOD by faith. These people are the church in the wilderness, Acts 7:38 and Romans 9:6 further supports this fact and spiritual Israel is called the Israel of GOD. Galatians 6:16
The church did not begin on Pentecost but in the wilderness with Abraham the father of the faithful. Abraham and all the people mentioned in Hebrews 11:13,16,39 will be in the kingdom of GOD in the first resurrection with the church after Christ which is composed of Gentiles. Ephesians 3:6 confirms that spiritual Israel is composed of the people in Hebrews 11 and the Gentiles called and chosen from Christ forward in time. To be clear the woman in Revelation 12:1 is the church not carnal Israel.
Revelation 12:2 considering all the information above it is spiritually logical that the church before Christ gave birth to the man child, Jesus.

I will continue with this again another time soon.
 

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Revelation 12:1 Most see this woman as the current nation of Israel.
However Romans 9:8 makes it clear that there were two groups that came from Abraham; one of physical or fleshy descent and one of the promise. Both of the groups were Israel but one was carnal and the other spiritual. Romans 4:13 was not to Israel under the law but through the righteousness that comes by faith. The promises of Abraham came through the line of people listed in Matthew 1:1-16 notice the line comes through the kings of Israel and Judah ending with Jesus the final king of Israel. Matthew 1:17 gives the short version of this. Jesus like Isaac was a child of promise and that promise passed from generation to generation to Christ. This explains Romans 9:8 in the correct way. The woman in Revelation 12:1 is not modern day Israel , it is spiritual Israel that had the promise. This woman is spiritual Israel and the names of many of them are recorded in Hebrews 11 the faith chapter, the righteousness of GOD by faith. These people are the church in the wilderness, Acts 7:38 and Romans 9:6 further supports this fact and spiritual Israel is called the Israel of GOD. Galatians 6:16
The church did not begin on Pentecost but in the wilderness with Abraham the father of the faithful. Abraham and all the people mentioned in Hebrews 11:13,16,39 will be in the kingdom of GOD in the first resurrection with the church after Christ which is composed of Gentiles. Ephesians 3:6 confirms that spiritual Israel is composed of the people in Hebrews 11 and the Gentiles called and chosen from Christ forward in time. To be clear the woman in Revelation 12:1 is the church not carnal Israel.
Revelation 12:2 considering all the information above it is spiritually logical that the church before Christ gave birth to the man child, Jesus.

I will continue with this again another time soon.
Thank you Lee
 

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The war in heaven. Revelation 12:7 Revelation 12:10 mentions the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down. This accusing day and night of the brethren indicates humans were on Earth when Satan is cast down. Revelation 12:12 indicates Satan has great fury and only a short time. This may be the start of the great tribulation and it is cut short. Matthew 24:21,22
 

Walter And Debbie

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The war in heaven. Revelation 12:7 Revelation 12:10 mentions the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down. This accusing day and night of the brethren indicates humans were on Earth when Satan is cast down. Revelation 12:12 indicates Satan has great fury and only a short time. This may be the start of the great tribulation and it is cut short. Matthew 24:21,22
Thank you Lee

Love, Walter