General Some thoughts on the doctrine of the Trinity

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I'm learning a few things about the development of Christian doctrine. Now, some might argue that doctrines aren't supposed to undergo development, as any such development would amount to an apostasy from “the faith once and for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3).

A good case can be made for the legitimacy of doctrinal developments — changes in, or additions to, doctrines brought about by further reflections on basic teachings and the necessity of responding to changing times and circumstances. The history of the Church tells us that there have been many of such developments in doctrine. The Trinity doctrine is one. Obviously a lot of people here—the majority, I think—believe that the Trinity is a negative development that has to be rejected. I can't say I completely disagree with this sentiment.

However, in my experience, both defenders and critics of the doctrine don't pay enough attention to the history of its development. Both the sola scriptura trinitarian and the sola scriptura Unitarian would be mistaken to think that the truth or falsehood of the Trinity doctrine stands or falls with how the doctrine squares with biblical proof texts. In other words, you can neither prove nor disprove the Trinity doctrine with the sola scriptura principle firmly in place; no amount of prooftexting can settle the Trinitarian-Unitarian dispute. Once I realized this, I lost interest in the debate, especially since I no longer believe in the sola scriptura principle.

As long as sola scriptura sets the terms for the debate, the argument becomes (as one can see from the ubiquity of Unitarian vs. Trinitarian debates on YouTube) interminable; the issue is never settled.

It's high time people recognised and took seriously the fact that the fully developed doctrine of the Trinity was birthed in a different time and place, in answer to a different set of questions.

The early Church Fathers appealed to Scripture, for sure. But how they read and interpreted Scripture is different from how the modern Christian reads and interprets the Bible (even "the Bible" as we know it wasn't there for them).

Their worldview too is markedly different from ours. And our worldviews inevitably shape our thoughts, especially our thought about the God-world relation. So those involved in the christological debates, being men (they were almost exclusively male) of their time, had no choice but to frame the discussions in the best way they knew how—using Greek philosophical ideas, in the same way we also think and talk about God and the world using modern categories of thought. There's nothing unchristian in this, as far as I can tell.

What I'm trying to say is that the modern christological debate between Unitarians and Trinitarians—when conducted within a strictly sola scriptura framework of understanding divine revelation—tends to generate much more heat than light. This is the case because the doctrine did not, and for most orthodox theologians even today, does not presuppose that the Bible alone (which, mind you, did not exist as such when the creeds were developing) is the source of Christian doctrine. The Bible is a source, not the source of Christian doctrine—even for staunch advocates of sola scriptura, there are implicit philosophical presuppositions underlying their reading of Scripture. For example, the assumptions that God, being perfect, must have given us a perfect Bible and that an imperfect Bible can't guarantee doctrinal truth are both (extra-biblical) philosophical assumptions subject to debate.

So both sides do well to remember that the Trinity isn't true or false simply because "the Bible says" so. It's probably true or false to the extent that it expresses as fully as possible the truths to which the Church's Scriptures, worship and experience of salvation bear witness, to paraphrase Maurice Wiles, The Making of Christian Doctrine (p. 181).

In case you want to see the source of the reasoning behind this write-up, the above-cited book and A High View of Scripture?: The Authority of the Bible and the Formation of the New Testament Canon are good.

As usual, this is meant to provoke discussion and not to make any dogmatic declarations.
 
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It sounds as though your trying to walk on both sides of the street at the same time. The doctrines taught by Jesus and the Apostles came from the prophets and holy men before Christ. The Apostles taught from the old covenant scriptures because, as you say, the new covenant scriptures were not yet collected into the Bible. I do not see that truth changes over time or with social changes. What is truth is always truth.
What you may be failing to consider is that the Holy Spirit is the revealer and teacher of all truth as Jesus said, John 16:13. Unconverted people are the ones who have perverted Gods truth turning it into lies. If you are using the Catholic Church history in your study you are reading about these liars and protestantism came out of Catholicism taking with them many of the false doctrines. The world cannot receive the Holy Spirit of truth, John 14:17 It is only those who God the Father draws that can come to Christ and be taught the truth. John 6:44. John 6:65
John 6:45 . In this current evil age many are called but few are chosen and many seek to find the way that leads to life but will not find it. There are millions of books in this world but I have found that only 66 of them are inspired by The Spirit of God Almighty and if a person has His Spirit then they will know the truth.
 

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts William. I agree understanding how the Trinity doctrine came to be is more involved and nuanced than many at first blush realize.

I agree our interpretations and perceptions are shaped by our current environment and understanding. Therefore we should all strive to understand the bible writings in the context of when they were written, by whom and to whom.

Therefore we need more than sola scriptura because we need other tools to understand that context.
 
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It sounds as though your trying to walk on both sides of the street at the same time.
I'm not sure I follow..... "Both sides of the street" being....Unitarianism and Trinitarianism.....or something else?
The doctrines taught by Jesus and the Apostles came from the prophets and holy men before Christ. The Apostles taught from the old covenant scriptures because, as you say, the new covenant scriptures were not yet collected into the Bible.
Very well.
I do not see that truth changes over time or with social changes. What is truth is always truth.
I don't remember saying, or implying, that truth changes. Truth is absolute. What is not absolute, however, is our apprehension of truth. Social changes affect our apprehension and articulation of the truth; in fact, it's social norms and culture that provide us with the means to even talk about the truth.
The point I'm trying to make is this: even divine revelation—if it's to make sense to us humans—has to be conveyed by humans, with the use of human language and concepts, which are in turn imbedded within a particular socio-cultural milieu. There's no getting around this fact. Deny it if you want, but even the Bible doesn't escape this reality: its words and concepts, though bearing witness to truth, are socio-culturally- and historically-conditioned—so if you fail to give proper attention to this, you're bound to misunderstand the message.
What you may be failing to consider is that the Holy Spirit is the revealer and teacher of all truth as Jesus said, John 16:13.
What you may be failing to notice is that, nothing I said above contradicts the fact that God's Spirit is the revealer of Godself.
Unconverted people are the ones who have perverted Gods truth turning it into lies.
This is a non sequitur. Perhaps you would like to clarify what this has got to do with anything I said above?
Or do you mean to say that those who believe in the Trinity are the "unconverted people....perverting God's truth"?
If you are using the Catholic Church history in your study you are reading about these liars and protestantism came out of Catholicism taking with them many of the false doctrines.
Interesting. Again, I'd be happy to have more information about this.
I have to confess, though, that this comes across to me as prejudice against Catholics and Protestants, and if my suspicion is correct, maybe you should reassess your stance. If Catholics are liars and their Protestant offspring along with them, you're sawing off the branch you're sitting on. Just something to think about.
The world cannot receive the Holy Spirit of truth, John 14:17 It is only those who God the Father draws that can come to Christ and be taught the truth. John 6:44. John 6:65
John 6:45 . In this current evil age many are called but few are chosen and many seek to find the way that leads to life but will not find it.
OK. Fortunately for you, you're safe. You've found the way.
There are millions of books in this world but I have found that only 66 of them are inspired by The Spirit of God Almighty
How, pray tell, did you find out that only 66 books are inspired by God? Did you read that in the Bible? I don't think so.
My guess is that you're just going along with an inherited Protestant canon.
There's an implicit biblicist assumption behind this reasoning that I don't share. For some of us it's become untenable to believe that the Almighty is revealed only in a book, even if that book is divinely inspired; God is much bigger, His Spirit more pervasive, His activities in the world more expansive, all-embracing.
and if a person has His Spirit then they will know the truth.
Yes.