The 144 thousand are not the Great Crowd
1. If all numbers in Revelation are symbols or figures of speech, no number in the book can be taken literally . 2. John never calls the ...
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Romans 11:5 there is a remnant chosen by grace. Romans 11:7 what carnal Israel was seeking it did not obtain but the elect, the 144000 did.
The olive tree symbolizes the elect, because carnal Israel did not obtain their branches were broken off and Gentiles grafted in. This makes the gentiles a part of spiritual Israel, the Israel of YAHWEH. Carnal Israel will be grafted back into the olive tree when Christ returns if they do not persist in unbelief, Romans 11:23 . The carnal Israelites cannot be heirs with Christ, Romans 4:14 , an Israelite of YAHWEH is circumcised in heart/spirit not flesh. All Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin. Matthew of Levi. The 144000 in Revelation 7 & 14 are the children of promise, the promise given to Abraham, carnal Israel of physical descent are not Abrahams offspring. Romans 9:8 The church is the Israel of YAHWEH . The church is the 144000. Hebrews 11 lists some of the church that existed before Christ and all of them will be in the first resurrection with saints after Christ returns , together they are the church, the 144000. Many times writers in the New Testament refer to the church they were writing to as the elect as Jesus did. People refuse to accept this truth because they cannot believe that only 144000 people are the total number of the church when Christ returns. Very few have read my posts about this subject or any others I have written. I usually receive a response from only a few. I am not a novice, I became a Christian 31 years ago. I had no idea that YAHWEH was going to call me anymore than Paul or anyone else did that has been called. No one can join Yahwehs church, YAHWEH chooses who is in HIS church. Acts 2:47 . There are no human shepherds today, YAHWEH has removed them and operates HIS church through Jesus Christ. The voice of Christ in the human spirit is what teaches, if anyone is taught by YAHWEH they will be taught directly by Christ in the power of YAHWEHS spirit. John 6:45 is not to be taken lightly because it is how a Christian learns. John 10:14,16,27 How many have heard the voice of Christ. I have, and I have learned and I followed and trust that voice. People who do not hear are not his sheep and they do not believe that I have heard the voice. I am not alone, I fellowship with three others who have also heard the voice. All of organized Christianity is spiritually deaf, hard of hearing, hard of heart. One must open their mind to believe and listen for a voice in your mind that is not your own. This voice glorifies Yahweh and Christ speaking all truth in agape that will not break scripture but bring scripture into agreement. Jesus describes this process in John 14:26 John 15:26 John 16:13,14 John 17:17 Why do so many not know this?
The olive tree symbolizes the elect, because carnal Israel did not obtain their branches were broken off and Gentiles grafted in. This makes the gentiles a part of spiritual Israel, the Israel of YAHWEH. Carnal Israel will be grafted back into the olive tree when Christ returns if they do not persist in unbelief, Romans 11:23 . The carnal Israelites cannot be heirs with Christ, Romans 4:14 , an Israelite of YAHWEH is circumcised in heart/spirit not flesh. All Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin. Matthew of Levi. The 144000 in Revelation 7 & 14 are the children of promise, the promise given to Abraham, carnal Israel of physical descent are not Abrahams offspring. Romans 9:8 The church is the Israel of YAHWEH . The church is the 144000. Hebrews 11 lists some of the church that existed before Christ and all of them will be in the first resurrection with saints after Christ returns , together they are the church, the 144000. Many times writers in the New Testament refer to the church they were writing to as the elect as Jesus did. People refuse to accept this truth because they cannot believe that only 144000 people are the total number of the church when Christ returns. Very few have read my posts about this subject or any others I have written. I usually receive a response from only a few. I am not a novice, I became a Christian 31 years ago. I had no idea that YAHWEH was going to call me anymore than Paul or anyone else did that has been called. No one can join Yahwehs church, YAHWEH chooses who is in HIS church. Acts 2:47 . There are no human shepherds today, YAHWEH has removed them and operates HIS church through Jesus Christ. The voice of Christ in the human spirit is what teaches, if anyone is taught by YAHWEH they will be taught directly by Christ in the power of YAHWEHS spirit. John 6:45 is not to be taken lightly because it is how a Christian learns. John 10:14,16,27 How many have heard the voice of Christ. I have, and I have learned and I followed and trust that voice. People who do not hear are not his sheep and they do not believe that I have heard the voice. I am not alone, I fellowship with three others who have also heard the voice. All of organized Christianity is spiritually deaf, hard of hearing, hard of heart. One must open their mind to believe and listen for a voice in your mind that is not your own. This voice glorifies Yahweh and Christ speaking all truth in agape that will not break scripture but bring scripture into agreement. Jesus describes this process in John 14:26 John 15:26 John 16:13,14 John 17:17 Why do so many not know this?
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You are correct about the two groups being different.The 144 thousand are not the Great Crowd
1. If all numbers in Revelation are symbols or figures of speech, no number in the book can be taken literally . 2. John never calls the ...