General PROPHETIC PERFECT TENSE

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1 Corinthians 2:10 The subject of prophetic perfect tense is one that seems to slip by the reader of scripture and has the potential to cause puzzlement. The definition of prophetic perfect tense is ; a style of preaching that describes future events that are so certain to happen that they are referred to in the past tense as if they have already happened.

Here are a few examples.

Isaiah 9:6 Is speaking of son that is born and given when we know that the son in this verse is Jesus, who would not be given until far in the future.

Romans 8:30 The words, HE also glorified, we know speak of the saints future glorification.

There are many scriptures like this . The reason for this style of preaching is that the spirit of Yahweh , who is an eternal being, speaks through angels, prophets, Jesus and the Apostles in an eternal way. This shows us a little about how Yahweh thinks, across all eternity, unbound by time. Yahwehs thoughts and ways are infinitely higher than ours , Isaiah 55:8-11 , but through the mind of Christ it becomes possible for us to understand these deep things of Yahweh. 1 Corinthians 2:10 , 1 Corinthians 2:16 , Matthew 11:25 .
Yahweh therefore speaks of things that have not yet happened as though the have. Romans 4:14 , and even in this verse Yahweh says, I have made you a father of many nations , Genesis 17:5 , when as yet he and Sarah were childless. Sometimes, even for scholars, the prophetic perfect tense syndrome is extremely difficult to decipher, has a thing actually happened or is it yet future.
We must be extremely careful about what we conclude so as not to find ourselves in error.
 

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And Jesus existed as of: Ge 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel

Other examples that this is not the only time in the Bible that a truth from God existed from the moment of Yahweh's statement:

Micah 5:2 But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.

Jn 17:22–23 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me

1 Pe 1:20–21 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

Re 13:7–8 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
 

LeeB

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I view Romans 4:17 with Isaiah 46:10 and Isaiah 55:11 as showing Yahwehs eternal attributes. Yahweh does not wait in time for HIS words to take effect as Yahweh is not bound by time. When Yahweh speaks it is done , Psalm 33:8-9 . All of Yahwehs will was done when HE spoke the words. Human beings were by Yahweh created in time, effected by time and what Yahweh has done seems to us as being played out over time when the reality is that all things are done. Also Yahweh cannot be contained in a place . People think Yahweh is in a place called heaven. In reality heaven is the state of existence of being Yahweh. Yahwehs omnipresence is heaven. Our Father who is heaven, Our Father who is eternity, G3772 , G3588 , Our Father who inhabits eternity, Isaiah 57:15 KJV, the LEB used here on this site robs Yahweh of HIS eternal existence, as many other translations do. Also there are many who severely impair Yahwehs omniscience. They limit Yahweh by not being able to see or believe that HE has always known who will be in HIS kingdom and who will not and that in this bubble called time Yahwehs plan has been recorded in scripture for us inferior humans to see if we have HIS spirit. Therefore, Yahweh has existed in eternity having all knowledge, all power and present simultaneously in all places and unplaces, time and untime.
 
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