General No Salvation Without Human Representation

benadam1974

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The Chalcedonian creed implies that the Son is at best equivocating, at worst lying, when he says things like: “Why do you call me good? Only God is good” when in reality Jesus was talking about himself!

Or....”About that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” when Jesus really did know but wasn't saying!

In other words, I'm not tellin'!!

But according to the NT the Son and not just his “human nature” didn’t know all things: Mark 5.7; Luke 8:28 he doesn’t know the name of the demon…who knew him! Mark 5.30; Luke 8:45 he didn’t know who touched him, etc.

Chalcedon also states the Son was "begotten before the ages/worlds" and came "into the world," i.e., into Mary. But the virgin birth is an account of how the Son of God “came to be” and not how ‘God the Son’ took on or assumed human nature/flesh.

Luke and Matthew say the Son came “from the womb” of Mary not through the womb of Mary!

The Son did not enter the womb of Mary from outside.

But more importantly the God-man of the Chalcedon creed offers no real salvation because there’s no real human representation!

Paul in 1Tim 2.5 says:
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and humanity, Christ Jesus, himself human.”

This is the reason why the Apostle John wrote his whole Gospel:
"But these have been recorded so that you may continue to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through this belief/this faith you may have life in his name." John 20:31

In other words, if you do not believe that the human Son of God is the promised Jewish Messiah (who suffered and died for your sins), you will not be saved.

Again, there's nothing here about a God-man who suffered and died through a human nature/flesh called Jesus.

After all, what would it mean to die through a nature?

There were many opportunities for the NT writers to identify this Chalcedon "God-man."

Instead what we find are statements about a human person who....
* The people "praised God for sending a man with such great authority" (Mat 9.8);
* The people knew that the Son of David had to be a man (Mat 12.23);
* A centurion remarking: "Truly this man was the Son of God." Mar 15.39
* Peter telling people that "Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know" (Acts 2.22);
* Paul telling the Athenians how God has "set a day in which He is about to judge the world in righteousness by a man whom He appointed" (Acts 17:31);
* And Paul describing how "by a man came death, by another man has come also the resurrection of the dead." 1Cor 15:21, similar to Romans 5:12.
 

LeeB

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This idea of a trinity and it’s associated teachings totally destroys the message of the gospel. How can trinitarians or any other deceived group or person claim to be converted and have the Holy Spirit when they do not understand the very basic teachings of the gospel ? The gospel is the message that is to produce Godly sorrow that leads to repentance and conversion. Acts 2:37 , says they were CUT TO THE HEART. Romans 2:29 , Jeremiah 4:4 , Deuteronomy 10:16 , Deuteronomy 30:6 , Colossians 2:11 , Jeremiah 9:25 . The circumcision of the heart is the calling of God where the person realizes their sin and guilt produced by hearing the gospel. It is a calling to the light, an exposure of evil, but men loved darkness rather than light. Satan goes to great lengths to hide the gospel and judging from the masses he has deceived been very successful. This is the way it is to be, only the few chosen know this.