General Latest "Revival" question
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It is not applicable at all. Why do we believe that these groups are not from God ? These movements are not even Christian. These are the Lord, Lord people that Jesus does not know. Examine what they believe, try the spirits. I have done this and I agree with Jesus.
I’m not too sure. According to Gamaliel, if they weren’t of God, they would disappear like the previous movements. Seeing that they don’t, perhaps there is something else at play? Each movement seems to possess truth that the others don’t possess. It looks like another blind men and elephant situation. As to how or why God allows churches to fall to blindness and caprice of men, I have no clue. Even true prophets fall into not seeing the bigger picture. In Romans 11, Elijah talks to God, and claims to be the only one left to loyally serve. However, God retorts that he still had 7000 men that Elijah wasn’t aware of.
Moreover, let’s say we have Trinitarians. But some of them espouse the salvation and restoration of the entire cosmos, as opposed to merely the church, through the blood of Jesus the Christ (Colossians 1:19; Acts 20:28). In 2 Peter, 3:10, the Earth and its works will be found/disclosed, as opposed to burnt up.
@LeeB, perhaps you are right that Gamaliel’s passage does not apply. Tangentially, this reminds me of Philippians 1:15-18:
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
@LeeB. I know this is talking about motives, and not methods. I know there are errors in definition and even methodology, but honest errors do happen, particularly in the case of 2 Peter 3:10, when later manuscripts were used, instead of earlier. The later scribes may have had bad motives, but we can’t blame the later readers for perpetuating the error.
Still more, during the reign of King Josiah of Judah, he had to dig up the old Temple just to recover lost scripture. Can you blame the generations immediately preceding him, bereft of such teachings and instructions?
The true and real revival will happen during the tribulation with the conversion of the innumerable multitude. All prophecy for today shows a world deceived, Revelation 12:9 1John 5:19 1 Timothy 4:1 2 Timothy 3:1 In Gamaliels day Jews were hoping for a messiah but they did not accept Jesus but killed him. Examples of this are in Acts 5:36-37 . We know that the Christian people were indeed of God. The people you see today cannot be of God because they do not know the truth. God hates a lie and no lie is of the truth. These groups teach another Jesus and another gospel. Galatians 1:6-8 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 Satan mixes a little truth with lots of lies and he and his ministers imitate 2 Corinthians 11 13-15 2 Peter 3:17 Roman's 16:17-18 2Peter 2:1 .
I have compassion for the brotherhood in the world but I am not going to join them in their folly. My opportunity is now, theirs later, and God places all in whatever measure of meal He chooses. These people are not lost as their time is future and not now.
Millions. Matthew 7:13-14 Matthew 20:16 Luke 13:23-24 Millions is not few.
The feast of first fruits in Leviticus 23:15-17 is symbolic of the church , the first fruits before and after Jesus. Both are baked with leaven which is symbolic of Gods Holy Spirit and these verses are connected to Matthew 13:33 where the three measures are the church from Able until the bringing in of the innumerable multitude, the millennium and finally the second resurrection. Each man in his own order as assigned by God who is not willing that any perish but all come to repentance thus showing Gods mercy upon people who would perish if called and chosen in this current evil age. The ultimate question here is how can you distinguish a true Christian from a false Christian. Actually the term false Christian is an oxymoron for to be a Christian you must be true. The truth of God, the love of God and the works of God through a person confirms if they are a Christian or not. When you look at this world, do you see these things ? If not then you are not seeing Christians. The majority of true Christians are dead and in the current age only a remnant remains. Isaiah 1:9 Romans 11:5 Romans 9:27 Isaiah 28:25 . This remnant will be alive and remain at the return of Jesus. From the time of righteous Able until the time of Revelation 7 the total number of these saints will be 144,000 then added to this number will be the innumerable multitude. All of these people are the two loaves of leavened bread , the first fruits of God. 1 Corinthians 15:20 Revelation 14:4 Romans 8:23 James 1:18.