General JEREMIAH 31 IS A PROPHECY FOR ISRAEL NOT THE CHURCH

When reading Jeremiah 31 people think it speaks about the church. It is about GOD remarrying Israel whom HE divorced. Jeremiah 3:8 This divorce will be in effect until Christ returns. In the millennium GOD will remarry Israel. Paul wrote about this in Romans 9:25.26,27,28 and Hosea in Hosea 1:10 & Hosea 2:23 Paul explains that Israel would be blinded spiritually, Romans 11:7,8,9,10 Israel fell so that the gentiles could be reconciled, Romans 11:15 After the gentiles are reconciled then Israel, in the millennium, are remarried to GOD. This is what Jeremiah 31 is about, it has nothing to do with the church. The church at the time this takes placed has already been glorified. Romans 11:25 says that Israel will remain blinded until the full number of the gentiles are in the church.

The new covenant, with respect to the church, was first revealed to Abraham and Abraham is called the father of the faithful. The faith of Abraham is identical to the faith in the church and has the identical imputed righteousness and the same promise from GOD. Only the saints are Christians, no other people are called saints. The resurrection of saints at the resurrection of Christ, Matthew 27:52,53 proves there were saints, Christians, that died before Jesus did and they were raised from the dead after the manner of Lazarus, that is made flesh again.

The 12 apostles will sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel IN THE MILLENNIUM. The carnal nation of Israel is still today blinded and yet denies Christ but Jesus said, Matthew 23:37,38,39 Israel will say this at the second advent and not until then. So the prophecy in Jeremiah 31 is only for Israel , not the church.

The last verse in Jeremiah 30:24 , in the latter days , then goes to Jeremiah 31:1 , at the
same time , take note that the fierce anger of YAHWEH in the latter days leads into Jeremiah 31:1 where it says, AT THE SAME TIME, in the latter days. In Jeremiah 30 the time of Jacobs trouble, is the great tribulation, verse 7, none will be like it, which agrees with, Matthew 24:21 , until this time nor ever shall be . Jacob or Israel will be saved out of this tribulation. Jeremiah 30:8,9 proves this is yet future when Christ returns because David is resurrected and is king of Israel. Also GOD destroys the nations to which Israel was scattered, yet another future event. Jeremiah 30:11 Again, this has nothing to do with the church.

The church is a spiritual institution having its origins long before Christ was born. Pentecost is not the beginning of the church but the second phase and was to be the mystery Paul wrote about, the calling of the gentiles. Ephesians 3:6 To the Jew first and then to the Gentiles. If Jesus confirmed the covenant that was given to the fathers: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The fathers already had the covenant and believed it, Christ came to confirm it. The promise that Christians would be made perfect , Hebrews 11:39,40 , was to all the people listed in Hebrews 11 but neither we nor they received the promise because YAHWEH intends to fulfill it at the return of Christ and then we all will be made perfect together. Abraham will be made perfect when we are made perfect. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4,5,6 There are only two resurrections and Abraham will be in the first with all the saints, all the church, the elect, the 144000. Luke 13:28 Matthew 18:11,12 Also consider Moses who said to Yahweh, Exodus 32:32 , here Moses understood about the book of life as did all the people in Hebrews 11 , they all wanted a better resurrection is referring to the book of life and the first resurrection. Revelation 20:15

The entire belief system known by Abraham is identical to the church. The only difference was the time it was revealed to each. Even in the garden of Eden the tree of immortality (life) was there and surely you know the only way to immortality is through Christ. Just as you had to eat the fruit of the tree of life you must eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood else you have no life in you. John 6:53

From the foundation of the world both covenants were symbolized by these two trees. The tree of death (knowledge of good and evil) is the law, for by the law is the knowledge of sin and the sting of death is sin and the power of sin is the law. 1 Corinthians 15:56 How is that which is good death unto me ? Romans 7:13 Able, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Caleb, all the prophets, judges and a few kings were all of the Holy Spirit . Many of these people wrote about the grace that we, the church, was to enjoy, 1 Peter 1:10,11,12 They did not write about things they didn’t understand, they knew the gospel and the Apostles and Jesus preached the gospel from their writings. The church is built on the foundation of the prophets and the Apostles with Christ as the chief corner stone. How can anyone who is part of the foundation of the church not be a part of the church ?

Abraham knew the gospel, Galatians 3:8 What do you and I know spiritually that Abraham didn’t ? What makes you and I a Christian is what Abraham was 2,000 years before Christ was born.


This new covenant was confirmed, that Abraham already was given and understood, by the sacrifice of Christ. Christ fulfilled ALL righteousness, both of Abraham and us by his sacrifice. Matthew 3:15 Jesus died for Abraham and us. The law of Moses did not annul the covenant of Abraham when the law was given nor at any time after.



To see the truth about any spiritual thing one must use the spirit and perceive things spiritually . We must consider the evidence by comparing Abraham to us.

Abraham believed in YAHWEH. So do Christians.

Abraham was a man of faith. So are Christians and of the same faith Abraham had.

Abraham was given promises. Christians are given the same promises.

Christians are called saints. So according to Matthew 27:52,53 there were saints before Jesus. Psalm 34:9 Psalm 145:10 Psalm 50:5 Psalm 52:9

Abraham was declared righteous because of his faith. So are Christians.

Abraham obeyed YAHWEH. So do Christians.

If Christians are called the children of Abraham and Abraham called our father then how are we not spiritually related ? John 1:13 Romans 9:6,7,8

Abraham believed in a future messiah. Christians believe in the same messiah and have the record of his work recorded just as Abraham saw them beforehand afar off. Seeing the same messiah but at different times. John 8:56,58 John 17:24

Abraham demonstrated his faith by his works just as James explained in his letter. James 2:17 The works James is speaking of are GODS works in and through the Christian by HIS agape that fulfills the intent of the law without the carnal works of the law.

Abraham was not under the law and neither are Christians. We and Abraham, before our conversion, were both Gentiles.

Abraham will be in the first resurrection and so will Christians. All our names are in the book of life.

Abraham was justified. Christians are justified. James 2:21,23,23

Abraham inherits the world and so will Christians.

Abraham understood about and sought the city whose builder and maker is GOD, the new Jerusalem, and so do Christians. Hebrews 11:8,9,10

Abraham was a stranger and pilgrim on earth, Hebrews 11:13 Christians are not of this earth, are ambassadors and citizens of heaven. Philippians 3:20 John 17:16 2 Corinthians 5:20

With all these indicators present it is a shame that Abraham wasn’t a Christian ?

What ever happened to the duck test. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s a duck. If a man walks like a Christian, talks like a Christian, lives like a Christian and has the same hope and promise of a Christian then he is a Christian.

The things I have listed here that show the bond of Abraham to Christians is undeniable and is scriptural fact. Two groups of people living at different times yet believing the exact same things cannot have the same label, Christian. Abraham was a YAHWEH worshipper and so are Christians. Yahweh worshippers and Christians are synonymous; different labels but exactly the same beliefs. If I call the messiah Jesus instead of Yeshua does that mean I am not a Christian ? If I call the most high YAHWEH instead of GOD am I a Christian ? I am just like Abraham, a YAHWEH worshipper and I am also a Christian. Abraham was just like me, a Christian who was also a YAHWEH worshipper. Should we be offended by the word Christian applied to Abraham ?

Then if you can see that Abraham was indeed a Christian then it follows the Abraham was under the new covenant because the very principles of our faith and beliefs are the same as those of Abraham.

The Abrahamic covenant is the new covenant. The message of the gospel, the new covenant, was preached to Abraham. Galatians 3:8 Do Christians have a different gospel than Abraham had ? If Abraham understood the gospel then he understood the new covenant. The law, Paul tells us, was added because of transgressions, to define good and evil for the carnal mind because the law is not for a righteous man but for the unGODLY . To be under the law you have to be carnal and unGODLY. David was not carnal or unGODLY. David had the Holy Spirit , Psalm 51:11 , so did all the ancient saints. The Apostles and Jesus preached the gospel using the scriptures of the old covenant because the new covenant scriptures did not yet exist. The light of GOD and Christ shines on the shadows of this old covenant to bring out the truth, the substance, of what was only ritual and symbolism. Abraham and all the ancient saints before Jesus understood the truth of GOD just like Christians do. David said, “sacrifice and offerings thou do not want else would I giveth thee” . David understood repentance was, “a broken spirit, a broken contrite heart, a circumcised heart”. David understood the things that we who call ourselves Christians should understand. Gentiles are branches grafted into the church, the olive tree, the Israel of GOD, to replace the unbelieving Israelites, but the root of of the olive tree or church are the ancient saints and this root supports us not we it. To say the ancient saints are not Christians is to boast against the root. Romans 12:18 king David said, Psalm 52:1-9 amazing things that has the potential with the spirit to teach the truths I have been giving here. So does Psalm 149:1-9 David considered himself a saint , part of the GODLY people, rules along with Christians as a king and priest in the kingdom of GOD. David was not carnal or unGODLY and even though he administered the law to carnal Israel was not under the law himself anymore than Christians are. David, like Abraham and all Christians, was a YAHWEH worshiper, a believer in messiah. Romans 7:22 What Paul said here is what David also said in the psalms. I can say the same thing because I was before my conversion under the curse of the law thinking that doing its works pleased GOD and secured my salvation. When I was converted I realized the only way to fulfill the law was by agape working in me and not me working in the law. Agape only comes by the Holy Spirit, human do not have it naturally. Romans 5:5

Without the holy spirit no one can understand spiritual things, 1 Corinthians 2:13,14 Abraham, Moses, King David and many more ancient saints understood spiritual things.
 
Good morning, my brother. I can follow your logic here. As much as it contains that logic, I am destined to let scripture speak to my mind as well. If anyone at all reads what we post, and I don't know if anyone does, perhaps whoever does will jump in with their views as well. Then, hopefully, God will give me the conviction I desire.
So, your logic aside, perhaps you can show me how to take the following passages that, to me indicate the the point I see as the beginning of the New Covenant, can fit into your view without simply throwing them out of the conversation.

Lk 4:16–21 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”


Acts 2:36–38 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.
Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
(Note, will receive is future tense. Nothing I see states that they never believed that there will not be a Messiah in the future.)

Acts 4:5–13 On the next day their rulers and elders and scribes gathered together in Jerusalem, with Annas the high priest and Caiaphas and John and Alexander, and all who were of the high-priestly family. And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, “By what power or by what name did you do this?” Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well.

This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus.


Acts 5:30 –32 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him. (Again, we see a statement that shows WHEN Yeshua became Savior. A reaction to an action. Also saying that we receive the Holy Spirit based on obedience.)

Rom 8:22–34 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.
Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.


Gal 5:1–6 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

I realize that there are many words here - making this a long post. The point I'm attempting to make is this: None of this says that Abraham was not chosen by Yahweh for a purpose and destined to be among the Christians in the future. However, your look, walk, and quack "like a duck" fails because Abraham did not know the name of the one he had to follow and obey. He would not be baptized in the name of Jesus, and Abraham had no mediator between himself and Yahweh. At the time of Abraham, there was no Yeshua to set him free.

So, he could not be called a "Christian", because he does not fit the requirements of these passages. I cannot ignore them.
 
Jesus preached a message called the gospel of the kingdom of GOD. Mark 1:14,15 For you and I and Abraham the promises that this kingdom offers are yet future. Jesus confirmed the covenant that Abraham was given by his preaching the gospel, being crucified, resurrected and ascending. Jesus confirmed the promises of the new covenant that YAHWEH gave to Abraham and to this day no one has received those promises. Jesus fulfill the sign of circumcision given to Abraham, Romans 4:11 Galatians 3:6,7,8,9. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist it was not for him but for those who came before him and after him in order to “fulfill all righteousness “, the righteousness that was imputed by faith. The name of Jesus or the name of messiah the anointed one , the Christ, Jesus means salvation or GOD saves. We , you and I , call Jesus; son of GOD, savior, the Christ. Is it a requirement for us to use the actual Hebrew name in order to have the hope of salvation ? This is what the sacred name movement teaches. The disciples called Jesus master or rabbi. You and I call YAHWEH ; GOD, the Most High, FATHER, others call HIM Jehovah. The actual and proper rendering of the Tetragrammaton has been lost so if we are required to use the actual proper name then all are lost.

In our minds , the minds with the Holy Spirit , we call GOD a variety of names, however knowing who is represented by that name is what’s important. Job referred to GOD as EL SHADDAI and ELOHIM, also YAHWEH. The ultimate lesson was not what name to call YAHWEH but what Job said in , Job 42:5 Salvation is achieved by faith in Christ. No Abraham may not have known the actual name Jesus or Yeshua but Abraham did not know the name YAHWEH either. Galatians 3:29 Romans 8:17 1 Corinthians 3:23 Sometimes it was Christ Jesus and sometimes just Christ .

Acts 2:38 The crowd Peter addressed was composed of unconverted Jews from “every nation under heaven” , these Jews had a different concept of the messiah just as when the unconverted disciples asked Jesus, Acts 1:6 Only by the Holy Spirit can anyone know the FATHER or the Christ, Matthew 12:27 YAHWEH spoke to Abraham and gave Abraham the new covenant based on the belief in a messiah that would be the sacrifice who replaced Isaac. Abraham understood faith and grace, was blessed by Melchizedek, a priest of the MOST HIGH GOD. Jesus confirmed the new covenant that YAHWEH gave to Abraham and to you and I but the promises have yet to be fulfilled.

You are ignoring many of the facts that I have presented that show an identical belief system that Abraham had with the church. Only the church, the 144,000 are GODS elect saints that will be in the first resurrection, whose names are in the book of life. I have provided scriptures proving that King David had the Holy Spirit and will be raised from the dead at the second advent along with the church, that includes you and I. The gospel was preached to Abraham, Moses spoke about the Christ, David also and many prophets. The Apostles and Jesus preached the gospel from the writings by men that you say should not be included in the church, the 144,000, the elect. The church is founded in this way, Ephesians 2:19,20 , who excludes the prophets as part of the foundation of the church ? All these ancient saints were called by YAHWEH and chosen , they are all my brothers and sisters in the faith of the one true GOD and HIS son and they all are waiting for the fulfillment of the promises Christ confirmed just as you and I are.
 
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Jesus said, Matthew 24:5 , many have indeed have come saying and preaching that Jesus was the Christ but in doing so have deceived many. The world knows the name but not the one the man named or the gospel he preached that he received from his FATHER. Many use the name to preach a false GOD and a false gospel.

Before Jesus came GOD spoke in times past using angels and prophets but in these last days has used HIS son to preach the same things that the angels and prophets preached. Hebrews 11:1,2The ancient saints did not publicly preach the gospel because that was reserved for Jesus Christ. The Apostles then preached the gospel to the world. We have the record of both ancient and modern People that had the true message of the gospel.

Abraham is called the father of the faithful. Abraham is the father of the Christian church but Abraham was not a Christian ? Even the label Christian is only a name that identifies a people who believe in GOD and the Christ, that understands the message of the gospel and are awaiting its fulfillment, knowing that Jesus Christ confirmed the covenant GOD gave to both Abraham and us.
 
Jesus preached a message called the gospel of the kingdom of GOD. Mark 1:14,15 For you and I and Abraham the promises that this kingdom offers are yet future. Jesus confirmed the covenant that Abraham was given by his preaching the gospel, being crucified, resurrected and ascending. Jesus confirmed the promises of the new covenant that YAHWEH gave to Abraham and to this day no one has received those promises. Jesus fulfill the sign of circumcision given to Abraham, Romans 4:11 Galatians 3:6,7,8,9. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist it was not for him but for those who came before him and after him in order to “fulfill all righteousness “, the righteousness that was imputed by faith. The name of Jesus or the name of messiah the anointed one , the Christ, Jesus means salvation or GOD saves. We , you and I , call Jesus; son of GOD, savior, the Christ. Is it a requirement for us to use the actual Hebrew name in order to have the hope of salvation ? This is what the sacred name movement teaches. The disciples called Jesus master or rabbi. You and I call YAHWEH ; GOD, the Most High, FATHER, others call HIM Jehovah. The actual and proper rendering of the Tetragrammaton has been lost so if we are required to use the actual proper name then all are lost.

In our minds , the minds with the Holy Spirit , we call GOD a variety of names, however knowing who is represented by that name is what’s important. Job referred to GOD as EL SHADDAI and ELOHIM, also YAHWEH. The ultimate lesson was not what name to call YAHWEH but what Job said in , Job 42:5 Salvation is achieved by faith in Christ. No Abraham may not have known the actual name Jesus or Yeshua but Abraham did not know the name YAHWEH either. Galatians 3:29 Romans 8:17 1 Corinthians 3:23 Sometimes it was Christ Jesus and sometimes just Christ .

Acts 2:38 The crowd Peter addressed was composed of unconverted Jews from “every nation under heaven” , these Jews had a different concept of the messiah just as when the unconverted disciples asked Jesus, Acts 1:6 Only by the Holy Spirit can anyone know the FATHER or the Christ, Matthew 12:27 YAHWEH spoke to Abraham and gave Abraham the new covenant based on the belief in a messiah that would be the sacrifice who replaced Isaac. Abraham understood faith and grace, was blessed by Melchizedek, a priest of the MOST HIGH GOD. Jesus confirmed the new covenant that YAHWEH gave to Abraham and to you and I but the promises have yet to be fulfilled.

You are ignoring many of the facts that I have presented that show an identical belief system that Abraham had with the church. Only the church, the 144,000 are GODS elect saints that will be in the first resurrection, whose names are in the book of life. I have provided scriptures proving that King David had the Holy Spirit and will be raised from the dead at the second advent along with the church, that includes you and I. The gospel was preached to Abraham, Moses spoke about the Christ, David also and many prophets. The Apostles and Jesus preached the gospel from the writings by men that you say should not be included in the church, the 144,000, the elect. The church is founded in this way, Ephesians 2:19,20 , who excludes the prophets as part of the foundation of the church ? All these ancient saints were called by YAHWEH and chosen , they are all my brothers and sisters in the faith of the one true GOD and HIS son and they all are waiting for the fulfillment of the promises Christ confirmed just as you and I are.
No brother, I am absolutely NOT ignoring your statements. I am asking you how you manage to get around the scriptures I quoted which established a time when the New Covenant became available to people. Those passages state that one must follow and obey the statements of Yeshua and be baptized in His name in order for Him to be the mediator between Christians and the Father.
I do not have doubts about Abraham. I simply think there is a demarcation between the elect of God and the identification of Christian. It is not a salvific question, simply the use of the term "Christian."
 
I have already answered your questions. There is only one difference between Abraham and us, time. The covenant GOD gave to Abraham was confirmed by Christ. Abraham already had the covenant, and just like us it needed confirmation. I have shown that labels mean nothing, it is the message that has meaning. The message to Abraham and us is the same . To be in the first resurrection a person must understand the gospel, the gospel was preached to Abraham. Only the church, Christians, are in the first resurrection. By faith Abraham looked forward and by faith we look backward but it’s still the same message and the same Jesus. How can Abraham be the father of the faithful, referring to Christians , if he himself was not a Christian ? In YAHWEHS plan of salvation time is irrelevant as HE and HIS plan are not bound by time. The writings used by Jesus and the Apostles to preach the gospel were written by these ancient saints . There is no demarcation as we are all one in Christ. The olive tree in Romans 11 is the church, spiritual Israel, the Israel of GOD, and the root of the olive tree are the ancient saints and we are the branches grafted in but not all of the natural branches were broken off. These natural branches are the faithful who came before us and the unnatural branches are us. The root, the ancient saints , support all the the branches and we are all the planting of YAHWEH. Immediately after chapter 11 of Hebrews, chapter 12, begins to describe the people listed in chapter 11 as “a great cloud of witness” . Only Christians have the Holy Spirit and imputed righteousness by faith. Hebrews 11:7 The Christian inheritance is the same as Abrahams. Abraham had understanding of the new Jerusalem, Hebrews 11:10 Hebrews 11:14,15,16 GOD is not ashamed to be called the GOD of these people and for them GOD has prepared a city, new Jerusalem.
 
I have already answered your questions. There is only one difference between Abraham and us, time. The covenant GOD gave to Abraham was confirmed by Christ. Abraham already had the covenant, and just like us it needed confirmation. I have shown that labels mean nothing, it is the message that has meaning. The message to Abraham and us is the same . To be in the first resurrection a person must understand the gospel, the gospel was preached to Abraham. Only the church, Christians, are in the first resurrection. By faith Abraham looked forward and by faith we look backward but it’s still the same message and the same Jesus. How can Abraham be the father of the faithful, referring to Christians , if he himself was not a Christian ? In YAHWEHS plan of salvation time is irrelevant as HE and HIS plan are not bound by time. The writings used by Jesus and the Apostles to preach the gospel were written by these ancient saints . There is no demarcation as we are all one in Christ. The olive tree in Romans 11 is the church, spiritual Israel, the Israel of GOD, and the root of the olive tree are the ancient saints and we are the branches grafted in but not all of the natural branches were broken off. These natural branches are the faithful who came before us and the unnatural branches are us. The root, the ancient saints , support all the the branches and we are all the planting of YAHWEH. Immediately after chapter 11 of Hebrews, chapter 12, begins to describe the people listed in chapter 11 as “a great cloud of witness” . Only Christians have the Holy Spirit and imputed righteousness by faith. Hebrews 11:7 The Christian inheritance is the same as Abrahams. Abraham had understanding of the new Jerusalem, Hebrews 11:10 Hebrews 11:14,15,16 GOD is not ashamed to be called the GOD of these people and for them GOD has prepared a city, new Jerusalem.
Well, brother, the "technical side" of me then looks at the passages I posted and think "Well, then, we have no indication that Abraham was ever "baptized into Yeshua's name" and he had no commands that Yeshua gave to obey. If Abraham became a Christian because of simply his faith, then it could be that "logically," we can be Christians without knowing Yeshua or submitting to baptism in the Name of Christ. Is not dilemma not visible to you?

There are those who already claim that these things listed in the passages I posted are not necessary.

I fail to see why scripture states that such things are required when your logic appears to say that they are not.

It is the term Christian that I question - not "saved."