General Isaiah 9:6

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Scripture: Isaiah 9:6

In preparing a response on another thread I thought it would be helpful to pull together resources on this scripture that is a favorite to support the Trinity.

Please share any resources (book quotes, youtube videos, commentaries, etc.) that will help explain the Christian Monotarian position on this scripture.
 

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Source: Microsoft Word - 9,4 January 2007.doc (focusonthekingdom.org)

It is a relief to turn to the far more scientific and factual accounts of Luke’s view of Jesus found in the excellent article on “Power” in the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. The author approaches his subject from the Old Testament background:


“There can be no disputing the link with the Old Testament and Jewish picture of the Messiah. Of the Old Testament Messiah Isaiah says that the spirit of counsel and strength rest on him (Isa. 11:2). Isaiah calls him ‘a mighty hero’ (9:6).” The dictionary happily corrects the complete mistranslation of standard versions which attempt to read Trinitarian theology into Isaiah and describe the Messiah as “the Mighty God,” thus presenting us with the amazing concept of a second Almighty God! Isaiah was speaking of a descendant of David who was to be el gibbor, “mighty or divine hero.”7 The dictionary points also to Micah’s prediction of the human Messiah. “Micah compares him with a shepherd and says that he will tend his flock in the strength of the Lord his God.” The Messiah will operate “in the strength of Yahweh, in the majesty of the name of Yahweh his God” (Micah 5:4). Such a portrait prevents any idea that the Messiah will be God. He works in the power of one who is his God. The same Messianic agent of God is described in the royal Psalm 110:2: “The Lord [Yahweh] will send the rod of your royal strength out of Zion.” Corroboration of this regal picture of the supernaturally endowed Messiah is found in writings half a century before the birth of Jesus. Psalms of Solomon 17:24, 42- 47 read:


“And may God gird him to defeat unrighteous rulers, to purify Jerusalem of the heathen who trample it to destruction…God has made him strong in the holy spirit and wise in counsel with power and righteousness. And the good pleasure of the Lord is with him in strength and he will not be weak. Strong is he in his works and mighty in the fear of God.” The dictionary observes that “in all these passages the picture is that of the King. The power granted to him is victorious power to defeat his enemies. It is the power confessed by the King of Israel: ‘For who is strong save the Lord…the mighty one who makes me strong with strength and makes me mighty with strength to battle’ (2 Sam. 22:32, 33, 40; cp. Ps. 18:32, 39). The king attributes his success in battle to the power which Yahweh has given him. Messiah is thought of as a king like this endowed with the strength of Yahweh.”

Many video discussions by Restoration Fellowship on this verse here (32) Focus on the Kingdom - YouTube

This is one of my favorites
 

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Source: Is Jesus “Mighty God” or “Mighty Warrior” in Isaiah 9.6? | Kermit Zarley (patheos.com)

Is Jesus “Mighty God” or “Mighty Warrior” in Isaiah 9.6?​

One of the primary biblical passages Christians cite to support their belief that Jesus is God is Isaiah 9.6. It reads in the NASB, “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on His shoulders; and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”

Hymns have always played a significant role in Christian worship. The translation “Mighty God” in Isaiah 9.6 has inspired many church hymns about Jesus. The one most memorable to Westerners is the final, heart-stirring ensemble in Handel’s magnificent Messiah. It is often performed by church choirs at Christmastime. But hymnology is no substitute for sound theology. When hymns reflect Christian theology, they should do so accurately and therefore scripturally.

Both Jews and Christians have always correctly interpreted Isaiah 9.1-7 as messianic. Christians have rightly applied all of the epithets in the second half of v. 6 to Jesus. The epithet translated “Mighty God” is el gibbor in the Hebrew text. But is “Mighty God” the correct translation of el gibbor here, so that it calls Jesus “God”?

El is the primitive Semitic root for “god/God.” It occurs 230 times in the Masoretic Text (MT) of the Old Testament (OT). Sometimes, it identifies men. Many OT characters bore the word el in their names, such as Israel (Heb. Yisrael). Of course, it only signifies belonging to God, not such men are God. Calling Messiah el gibbor is similar to calling him “Immanuel” in Isaiah 7.14. Therein, el is not intended to identify the Messiah as God, but “God with us” (Matthew 1.23). That is, since God is with his Messiah, God thereby is with his people.

The Hebrew word gibbor occurs over 150 times in the MT in either its singular gibbor or its plural form gibborim. In over half of these instances the New American Standard Bible renders gibbor(im) “mighty” or “mighty man” or “mighty men.” In thirty-eight of them it is translated “warrior(s).” This evidence shows that el gibbor can be treated as an adjective or a substantive (noun) which designates men. Context and associated words are the main determining factors in how to translate it.

Gibbor or gibborim in the MT often refers to a military figure since it means “strong, vigorous, hero, champion.” For example, we read of David’s “mighty men” (gibborim), referring to his soldiers (2 Samuel 23.8). (Similarly, see 2 Samuel 1.21; 2 Kings 24.16.)

The Greek Old Testament (Septuagint=LXX; third century BCE) translates el gibbor in Isaiah 9.6 as megales boules angelos. We get our English word “angel” from angelos. But angelos often has the wider meaning of “messenger.” So, this expression in the LXX is usually translated “messenger of mighty counsel,” not “Mighty God.” This is significant because these pre-Christian, Jewish translators could not have been biased against the later, Christian interpretation, that is, that el gibbor identifies Jesus of Nazareth as “God.”

Jews and Christians have disagreed on the construction, and therefore the application, of these epithets in Isaiah 9.6. While the Targum on Isaiah and later rabbinical commentators, such as Rashi and Kimchi, interpret the “child” as Messiah, they also interpret el gibbor as referring to God and not the Messiah, thereby avoiding calling Messiah “God.” Either they have applied only el gibbor to God and the other titles to Messiah or they have rendered all of these epithets to God except “Prince of Peace.” Ibn Ezra avoided interpreting the “child” as Messiah by applying all the titles to King Hezekiah or his son.

Christian scholars have contended that both of these constructions are forced, thus charging these rabbis with bias. And since Matthew quotes Isaiah 9.1-2 and refers it to Jesus (Matthew 4.14-16; cf. Luke 1.79), many Christian scholars have insisted its closeness to v. 6 suggests that all of those epithets should be applied to the Messiah.
Some distinguished Christian scholars have not translated el gibbor in Isaiah 9.6 as “Mighty God.” Martin Luther, in his German Bible translation, renders it “Kraft-held,” which means “Strength-Hero.” He explains that this epithet “belongs not to the person of Christ, but to his work and office.” Formerly preeminent Roman Catholic NT scholar Raymond E. Brown insisted that Isaiah did intend to call Messiah “god/God,” here, but only as a king of Israel in a royal psalm, e.g., in Psalm 45.6. Some English Bibles render it “Godlike hero” or “God-Hero,” e.g., mighty warrior.

Indeed, the immediately prior context of Isaiah 9.6 presents Messiah as a Galilean warrior. It reads, “But there will be no more gloom for her who was in anguish;… Galilee of the Gentiles. The people who walk in darkness will see a great light; those who live in a dark land, the light will shine on them. You shall multiply the nation, you shall increase their gladness; they will be glad in Your presence as with the gladness of harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil [of war]. For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders, the rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian. For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult, and cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire” (Isaiah 9.1-6). Christians have always applied it to their Lord Jesus being from Galilee and saying, “I am the light of the world” (John 8.12; 9.5). The Apostle Paul interprets this warrior as Messiah Jesus destroying the “lawless one,” who is the final Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2.8).

Besides Isaiah 9.6, the expression el gibbor occurs only one other time in the MT, in Isa 10.21. This verse predicts that on the eschatological Day, which Christians call “the second coming of Christ,” a repentant remnant of Israeli Jews will survive an attack and return to God to forever rely upon him. It is presumed that el gibbor refers to God, here, being translated “the mighty God” in most English versions. For this reason, plus its close proximity to Isaiah 9.6, many Christian scholars regard el gibbor in Isaiah 10.21 as certain evidence that el gibbor in Isaiah 9.6 should be rendered likewise.

However, Isaiah 10.20-21 undoubtedly will be accomplished by means of messianic agency, as in Isaiah 9.3-7. That is, the surviving Jewish remnant will return to God on the eschatological Day by literally presenting itself in servitude before Messiah its King, whom God will send to be its Deliverer. For, immediately following Isaiah 9.6 the prophet says concerning the military success and governmental reign of Messiah that “the zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this” (v. 7), that is, by means of the Messiah. So, el gibbor in both Isaiah 9.6 and 10.21 may refer to the Messiah.

Regardless, it ought to be concluded that interpreting el gibbor in Isaiah 9.6 as “mighty warrior” fits the context better and thus does not call Jesus “Mighty God.”
 

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Source: The Trinity Delusion: Isaiah 9:6 (angelfire.com)

This is a very lengthy and thorough walk through this verse and other related verses. Highly recommended!

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The Claim vs. The Facts

The Scriptural facts show us that such names are given to people and places and these names don't mean that these people are places ARE therefore "God." The Scriptural facts also show us that the Messiah would bear this name because he represents our Eternal Father and Mighty God's wonderful counsel since it was God who made it all happen; He raised up the Messiah to carry out His purposes.

Jesus is indeed called by this name. But we must understand WHY he is called this name and it is not for the reason Trinitarians suggest. The reason he is called this name is not because he is the Mighty God or the Eternal Father, but because he is the place where the Mighty God and Eternal Father will accomplish what is being discussed in the contex of Isaiah 9:6. In the very same way, Jesus is called "Immanuel" not because Jesus is himself "God with us" but because Jesus is rather how God the Father was with Israel in plan and purpose raising up a horn of salvation for the people of Israel. For the same reason, we can see that Jerusalem is called "YHWH our Righteousness" not because Jerusalem is YHWH but because Jerusalem is the place where God's plan and purpose is accomplished. In short, Jesus is called the name, "Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Eternal Father" because he, the Christ, is how God the Father functionally accomplishes His works and he represents the Father in this respect.

The Christ will be called this name because it is through God's Christ that YAHWEH, the Mighty God and Eternal Father, will show His Wonderful Counsel and will accomplish HIS works as described in the immediate context of Isaiah 9:6.