General Innocent Lawbreakers

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By: carlos@thehumanjesus.org

Jesus, and to a certain extent his followers, operated under a different law, which is part of a different covenant system (as foretold by Jer 31-33).

So when you read texts like John 5.18 (Jesus was "breaking the Sabbath”) and Matt 12 (Jesus says the same about his followers) it doesn’t mean they were sinners!

The NT makes repeated contrasts between the Law of Moses and the Law of Messiah, as Paul himself later says in 1Cor 9:20-21
(NOTE the law of God is now defined as the law of Christ and not Moses!)

Hebrews 7:11-12 explains how the OT "received Law," i.e., legislation given by God to Moses was “changed,” replaced by a new legislation “given to Christians as Law because it’s “based on better promises” through Jesus.

And Heb 8.6 says “this new covenant, obtained by the work of Christ, has become a ministry far superior to the first covenant at Sinai. That’s why the covenant Jesus currently mediates is better. But more than that, this new covenant has been given to us Christians as Torah on the basis of better promises.”

The New Covenant Law of Jesus began with the ministry of the Baptist and eventually ratified by the death of Jesus.

Hence, Heb 9:11 says “Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here.”

And Hebrews 9:16.
“For where there is a covenant, there must be the death of the one who made it.”

Lastly, if Jesus had wanted to say this New Covenant Law teaching was for a future time, he could well have said that, as he sometimes did.

For example, in Luke 12:11 Jesus said:
“When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”
 
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LeeB

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The new covenant was known to the saints before Jesus was born. The gospel was preached to Abraham. Moses and David wrote about Jesus. All the prophets had the Holy Spirit. Jesus was the first to publicly preach the gospel. David killed Uriah but was forgiven but Uzzah touched the ark and was killed. There were saints in the old covenant times as Matthew 27:51-53 says , these saints died before Jesus , some were dead perhaps for quite some time. Abraham could not have been under the law nor any saints before him as the law was not given until 400 years after Abraham. Grace and forgiveness was known before the law was established. Faith and grace was prior to the law. After the law entered it only had power over the unconverted just as today. The law condemns the entire carnal world to death, Romans 3:19-20 , the saints are PASSED-OVER BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS.
 

LeeB

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There are some who say the 10 commandments existed before Moses.
This is not true. Do you know a scripture that proves this? Also did you know that the 10 commandments and law of Moses were two separate covenants that worked together to form the whole law?