General How original is "original sin"?

benadam1974

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The Catholic Encyclopedia defines original sin as:
The hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.
The theory was first coined by the monk Augustine and popularized by Catholics and later Protestants like Luther and Calvin (who in some ways made it even worse!). For example, John Calvin in his Institutes of the Christian Religion:
Original sin, therefore, seems to be a hereditary depravity and corruption of our nature, diffused into all parts of the soul.
And Luther in his 2nd Article to the Augsburg Confession:
All men are full of evil lust and inclinations from their mothers' wombs and are unable by nature to have true fear of God and true faith in God.
Luther even held on to the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception (that Mary was conceived free from original sin). But original sin does not explain how individuals that were originally created holy by God, like Adam, Eve, Jesus and even angels, were susceptible to sin and sometimes sinned!

There's the Genesis 6 event where some angels are said to have left their designated positions in heaven (as Jude and Peter later explain) in order to commit sexual immorality!

Then there's Satan himself, originally one of the highest ranked holy angels of God, who is said to have fallen into sin and brings down even more angels with him, according to Revelation 12.

This might explain why one of the friends of Job asks:
4:17 Can a mortal be more righteous than God?
Can even a strong man be more pure than his Maker?
18 If God places no trust in his servants, if he charges his angels with error,
19 how much more those who live in houses of clay, whose foundations are in the dust, who are crushed more readily than a moth!

And again in Job 15:15
Look, God does not even trust the angels [Heb. the holy ones].
Even the heavens are not absolutely pure in his sight.
The point is, as Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary notes, that "whatever might be the holiness of a creature, it was possible to conceive that he might sin.” This of course was also true for the procreated holy, unique human Son of God himself.

Hebrews 4:15 says that Jesus, our high priest, understands every weakness of ours, because he was tempted in every way that we are.
But he did not sin! In other words, the Son lived his entire life with the same weaknesses and feelings that assail each and every one of us. As a matter of fact, at one time Jesus felt so much fear and dread that he pleaded to his God and Father:
If You are willing, if possible, please remove this cup from me.
NOTE: according to Matthew 26 he asked for this twice and possibly three times according to Mark 14!

And then with his last breath, while dying a torturous death on the cross, he asks his Father:
My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?
Now he said this not only to fulfill OT scripture but also because he really felt stranded, abandoned, deserted, perhaps even forsaken by his God and Father!

Wouldn't you?

This self-awareness explains why throughout the Gospels, especially in the Gospel of John, he continually says "the Son can do nothing by himself." And that his very life is dependent on the Father, in John 5.26; 6.57.

The fact is that some of the only scriptures used to prove original sin (found in Rom. 5; 1 Cor. 15) say nothing about some hereditary stain or depravity and corruption that makes people unable to have a true fear or even true faith in God, as Luther and Calvin so awfully put it.

In 1848 the famous unitarian clergyman George Burnap said:
If this doctrine is true, God did not tell man the true penalty, neither the truth, nor the whole truth, nor a hundredth part of the truth.
To have told the whole truth, according to this hypothesis, He should have said,
Because ye have done this, cursed be that moral nature which I have given you. Henceforth such is the change I make in your natures:
That ye shall be, and your offspring, infinitely odious and hateful in my sight.

What an awful blot would such a curse be on the first pages of Scripture!
 

LeeB

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John 12:27 , this seems to show a commitment by Jesus to that hour. Luke 22:15 , Jesus seemed fine at the Passover meal.
Matthew 26:38. I believe was a Satanic attack , an attempt to kill Jesus before he could be crucified. The devil waited for a better time after the temptation in the wilderness. Luke 4:13 This was Satans last chance but God sent an angel to strengthen Jesus Luke 22:43 . This incident took Jesus by surprise. Luke mentions nothing of what Matthew 26:38 says. As far as , my God, my God why have you forsaken me, that is Psalm 22:1 , Jesus was speaking the psalms while on the cross. Psalm 22:24 , God did not abandon Jesus, God allowed Jesus to die because Jesus had to die, this is the answer to why have you forsaken me. Throughout the gospels Jesus always expressed a firm commitment to go to the cross even calling Peter Satan, Matthew 16:23 . Jesus preached many very noble things but yet in the moment when faced with death he wanted out, begging the Father to keep him from the cross. I just do not believe that. My savior was not a coward or hypocrite. There was something else going on . Hebrews 12:2 gives a different picture of the attitude Jesus had. Philippians 2:8 , Matthew 16:21. This section of scripture about the cup passing goes against all the other sayings of Jesus, it needs more prayer, study and meditation .
I do not believe in the great gamble theory.