General Eschatology question

[Tsarina Andadora]

******this is not a thread for rapture debate. Don't go there please.

So, for most of my time after waking up to the borg, I continued with a mostly preterist interpretation of the Olivette Discourse and 70 AD. But, I continue to study as I hunger to learn and know more.

So I was recently watching a teaching on Mark 13 and the guy got me thinking about a more futurist view. He explained various things about the "abomination causing desolation" and what that would have meant to the Jews living in Jesus' day. He also tied Daniel 9 in in a new way for me. I had heard this whole seven years of persecution preached before by evangelicals and I've heard rebuttals as well.

But this, this was the first time it actually made sense. But it leads me to one question. Jesus said we would not know when he was coming back. If this covenant (and I have my thoughts on this) is the setting event for Jesus coming back and we know it won't be for more than seven years and probably won't be the full seven years so that all lives won't be lost, how then was Jesus able to say he didn't know when and we wouldn't know when? I'm not looking for a date. Just clarity.

 

[Bvenski]

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32

It seems plausible that the angels and Jesus still don't know the day & hour. However, at some point, God the Father will tell them because the angels & Jesus have to know when to set up the Kingdom on the earth.

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. Mark 13:37.

Watch.

See 1 Thes 5:1-6

Paul also says to watch in verse 6.

At some point, when the horrific events listed in Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Revelation, come to pass, we will have an idea of the times and seasons and therefore know Jesus is on his way.

We will not know the exact day and hour, (at least I believe that), be we will have a rough idea.

 

[Bvenski]

Plus:

Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. Mark 13:33

Correct, we do not know the day nor the hour

As long as we are in Christ, that day should not overtake us as a thief.

 

[Tsarina Andadora]

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32

It seems plausible that the angels and Jesus still don't know the day & hour. However, at some point, God the Father will tell them because the angels & Jesus have to know when to set up the Kingdom on the earth.

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. Mark 13:37.

Watch.

See 1 Thes 5:1-6

Paul also says to watch in verse 6.

At some point, when the horrific events listed in Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Revelation, come to pass, we will have an idea of the times and seasons and therefore know Jesus is on his way.

We will not know the exact day and hour, (at least I believe that), be we will have a rough idea.

I've been mulling this over in my mind. I like your train of reason, even as we see these things occur no one can say Jesus will come back Tuesday March 12th and 1:32 in the afternoon. All fair reasoning.

I know there were MANY MANY conventions and wt articles I sat through and I NEVER understood why the gb wouldn't tell us certain things. Much of my personal Bible study and just personal research into the satanic system (ie hollyweird or governments) answered so many of the things the gb claim they "can't be dogmatic on". It was very frustrating. I appreciate the ability to do research.

 

[Bvenski]

I've been mulling this over in my mind. I like your train of reason, even as we see these things occur no one can say Jesus will come back Tuesday March 12th and 1:32 in the afternoon. All fair reasoning.

I know there were MANY MANY conventions and wt articles I sat through and I NEVER understood why the gb wouldn't tell us certain things. Much of my personal Bible study and just personal research into the satanic system (ie hollyweird or governments) answered so many of the things the gb claim they "can't be dogmatic on". It was very frustrating. I appreciate the ability to do research.

Totally, do your own research. Nobody needs the gb for nuthin'. God the Father & His son Jesus will teach you what you need to know in the scriptures. Put your trust in them.

Note: there are a few that can aid in helping w/ some teachings. Anthony Buzzard, Dan Gill, Dale Tuggy, very few others. They have written some good books.

 

[Tsarina Andadora]

Totally, do your own research. Nobody needs the gb for nuthin'. God the Father & His son Jesus will teach you what you need to know in the scriptures. Put your trust in them.

Note: there are a few that can aid in helping w/ some teachings. Anthony Buzzard, Dan Gill, Dale Tuggy, very few others. They have written some good books.

Putting my trust in our Father and Jesus has definitely been an uphill journey. Being Monotheistic puts me at odds with many people who practice modern day protestantism.

I am definitely leaning toward things being futurist, but I don't think it is going to look like what most evangelical groups sensationalize to get people in a tizzy. Most organized religion is about control and not about helping people understand our Papa.

I love this forum because it has a grassroots feel to it. And I appreciate that

 

[Bvenski]

Putting my trust in our Father and Jesus has definitely been an uphill journey. Being Monotheistic puts me at odds with many people who practice modern day protestantism.

I am definitely leaning toward things being futurist, but I don't think it is going to look like what most evangelical groups sensationalize to get people in a tizzy. Most organized religion is about control and not about helping people understand our Papa.

I love this forum because it has a grassroots feel to it. And I appreciate that

Yup, uphill journey & conflicting w/ Protestants, it has to be this way, 2 Tim 3:12

That pre-trib rapture lie, being pimped out by evangelicals, is totally a control/brain washing mechanism. See John 17:15. No way Jesus is promoting that nonsense.

We are definitely grassroots

We don't need no dudes wearing funny clothes who pretend to have the power to pull God out of heaven, every Sunday, and put Him in bread & wine to eat Him & drink Him. It's just blasphemous.

 

[Tsarina Andadora]

1. That pre-trib rapture lie, being pimped out by evangelicals, is totally a control/brain washing mechanism. See John 17:15. No way Jesus is promoting that nonsense.


2. We don't need no dudes wearing funny clothes who pretend to have the power to pull God out of heaven, every Sunday, and put Him in bread & wine to eat Him & drink Him. It's just blasphemous.

1. Yeah I can't get over how I've seen stuff twisted. So many prot theologians twist scripture so much that if you took out their terms and put in jw terms, it's just repackaged jw theology. I even heard someone recently discuss "saved Christians" and "unsaved Christians" with one ruling the other. Triggered me to the point of laughing.

2. Yeah, I can't get over that. My brother is an ortho catecuman now and we talk about it being literally flesh and blood some. Obviously we disagree lol, but we keep it peaceful and focus on what we do agree on (bodily resurrection, Jesus actions on Judgment Day), but I can't get over how people think that's okay to believe. Or that it gives you special power to be like God. To me that's the most blasphemous part. I mean, yes, one day I will be immortal, but I'll still have a fleshly body and I'll still enjoy all the things that makes being human special. Our Father loves life and we will one day live it most abundantly!