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I believe we all have seen this passage in 2nd Timothy. I also suspect that we think that everything happening today is the fulfillment of this prophecy. What we don't realize is that it happened at the end of the first Century. It has progressively gotten worse since then.

Consider what Jesus and His apostles believed, taught, and wrote. Then, compare all that with what you have been taught that "the truth" is. Those two things are disconnected in several areas. Note the last phrase in these 2 Tim 4 verses. If Paul kept the faith, if so, why do people disregard what he wrote?

When people are led to faith in Jesus, they are babes who should start growing. They need someone to give them a foundation. Depending on where they get it, it may not be very accurate. We have had nearly 2000 years for those itchy ears to be scratched. But, Christians should desire to grow, should be examining themselves, and searching the scriptures, and praying that God will validate their discoveries so that they live according to the truth.

Like it or not, there is a big gap between the things Jesus and the Apostles taught and what is believed today. If you have never searched the scriptures, you will probably not be aware.


2 Tim 4:1–7
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
>preach the word;
>be ready in season and out of season;
>reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.


Note that this passage is in the "past tense." It had already begun when the Apostle Paul wrote this:

1 John 4:1. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

And, for those of us who take seriously the Message that Jesus gave the church of Ephesus, this should be a motivator to reassess what you have accepted as truth.

Rev 2:2–7 I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name’s sake, and you have not grown weary. But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
 
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I think the "churches" are not helping their members to understand the incredible gift of indwelling holy spirit and to really, Really, REALLY spend time in prayer and meditation in order to be led by the spirit. Understanding and insight will greatly increase.

Thanks for sharing this and giving us something to meditate on.

--LJ
 
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I think the "churches" are not helping their members to understand the incredible gift of indwelling holy spirit and to really, Really, REALLY spend time in prayer and meditation in order to be led by the spirit. Understanding and insight will greatly increase.

Thanks for sharing this and giving us something to meditate on.

--LJ
My experience has shown me that churches actively fight against their members spending time with scripture and being led by God to know truth.
 
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Men desire a following after themselves as it gives them power over people, increases their ego and their bank accounts. This is why GOD eliminated them and took over the church.
 

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Men desire a following after themselves as it gives them power over people, increases their ego and their bank accounts. This is why GOD eliminated them and took over the church.
After visits with pastors in a couple churches, I discovered that they "believed" what they were told in school and never did validate their beliefs. They hired on as pastors and make sure to follow the statements of faith - refusing to question whether or not those statements were true. They get irate when I question them. This was a huge shakeup for me. But then, back when I was (I thought) serving God, I didn't take the time either. I thought I knew "the truth" myself. The best thing I ever did was to start a bible study group which investigated doctrines and found that I had accepted man's version of things without validation. While it shook up my world, I'm thanking God for leading me away from all that. Right now, it is a lonely world for me, but I keep asking God for an open door.
 
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After visits with pastors in a couple churches, I discovered that they "believed" what they were told in school and never did validate their beliefs. They hired on as pastors and make sure to follow the statements of faith - refusing to question whether or not those statements were true. They get irate when I question them. This was a huge shakeup for me. But then, back when I was (I thought) serving God, I didn't take the time either. I thought I knew "the truth" myself. The best thing I ever did was to start a bible study group which investigated doctrines and found that I had accepted man's version of things without validation. While it shook up my world, I'm thanking God for leading me away from all that. Right now, it is a lonely world for me, but I keep asking God for an open door.
That open door is Revelation 3:8 This open door is the opening of our human spirit to understand GODS truth. Our minds have been blinded but GOD enables us to see. 2 Corinthians 4:4 We then are no longer under the darkness but in the light. Acts 26:18 From what I see in you, you have had the open door as your description of your experience testifies. The saints may not have human fellowship but the fellowship with the FATHER and the messiah is always there. If we lack personal connection there is this medium we are using now.
 
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That open door is Revelation 3:8 This open door is the opening of our human spirit to understand GODS truth. Our minds have been blinded but GOD enables us to see. 2 Corinthians 4:4 We then are no longer under the darkness but in the light. Acts 26:18 From what I see in you, you have had the open door as your description of your experience testifies. The saints may not have human fellowship but the fellowship with the FATHER and the messiah is always there. If we lack personal connection there is this medium we are using now.
Yes, and I am grateful for it.
 

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Yes, and I am grateful for it.
What the world does not understand is that the total number that go through the door is extremely few. Of that total number most have died and there is to be a small remnant of them yet alive at the second advent. This total number is a mixture of former Israelites and Gentiles dating back to righteous Able. For anyone to be in this total number is determined by GOD and no one else. Those in this number are greatly humbled knowing they are no better than anyone else but have been shown grace and mercy called and chosen by the FATHER.
 
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