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Correct. To become involved in the affairs of the unconverted will lead to compromise of Christian values. It is very similar to trying to serve two masters. This current world is being ruled by Satan by the will of God. Adam chose to obey Satan and now all unconverted people are Satans children and do his will. The Christian has their citizenship in heaven not on Earth. If you are aware of what politics is like then you should know how filthy it can be. No one can make this world a better place other than at the return of Jesus Christ. The history of human civilization and government has been nothing more than suffering and death. The chapters of history books are marked off by what war was being fought at that time. Look at the U.S.A. and how it has become even worse with unjust laws , legalized perversion and attacks on family and children. Do not even vote, it’s worthless anyway and will change nothing except wrinkle, spot and blemish your garment.
Ephesians 6:12
Isaiah 3:12
2 Corinthians 10:3,4,5
1 John 5:19
Isaiah 14:12
Hosea 8:4
YAHWEH appointed Satan as the ruler of the world.
Luke4:6 Satan said that he would set Jesus as the world’s ruler if Jesus would worship him. If Satan could do this then he would be the one that sets up all rulers. This was given to Satan from above, from YAHWEH.
In the kingdom Jesus overthrows Satan and takes dominion and we saints rule and reign with him. The former fallen angels ruled over various geographic locations of the earth but at the second advent will be replaced by the Saints. In other words the rulers Satan appointed with YAHWEHS approval will be replaced by the elect saints.
Isaiah 3:12 Does YAHWEH directly appoint leaders the cause us to err and destroy the way of our paths ? Spiritual wickedness in high places think on that. YAHWEH is not in control of Earth, it is, thy kingdom come thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven, therefore if YAHWEHS kingdom is not on Earth HIS will is not being done. This subject is a very difficult subject to grasp and involves a most diligent search. We are to place our faith in YAHWEH not men. If we love and desire to care for our families should we not go to YAHWEH having faith in HIM for all things ?
When I first broached this subject it was not received well. There is much more to it than what first appears and is a great misunderstanding of scriptures. The article benadam posted from “Christ Enemy Love” does touch on this issue but also fails with follow through. All governments on this earth are of Satan, YAHWEH is not directing any of them just as HE is not directing the false churches. There is a veil spread over all nations and it is only lifted when one is in Christ.
When I first broached this subject it was not received well. There is much more to it than what first appears and is a great misunderstanding of scriptures. The article benadam posted from “Christ Enemy Love” does touch on this issue but also fails with follow through. All governments on this earth are of Satan, YAHWEH is not directing any of them just as HE is not directing the false churches. There is a veil spread over all nations and it is only lifted when one is in Christ.
Yes, it does not make sense to believe that Yahweh is running things throughout this world. The evil that man does is not of God. But, I know that Yahweh through His Son is active with those whom he has chosen - perhaps better to say "those he predestined to serve Him in future roles."
It is a very difficult thing to accept, however. So many have been converted to the "greasy grace" theory of Christianity. It is so reassuring that all a "Christian" has to do is say a "sinner's prayer" and go to church once in a while. Ignored ideas among those people in churches is the idea of "born of water and of Spirit," "study to show yourself approved" or "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." After all, as long as you find the right church, Christianity is easy.
The thing that is not easy is to watch family members deny any truth that God's Elect attempt to teach family members just to be rejected by them.
I'm still adapting to the idea of not being able to "fix" issues and just trust God. I mentally accept it, but my hands want to help. That definitely goes against my nature as "Mr. Fixit."
Christ said to us, without me you can do nothing, unto you (the church) is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of GOD but to others it is not given. I do not worry about my unconverted family or friends as I know that YAHWEH will be merciful to them as HE was to me. It is that it is not yet their time but it is our time. The best thing we can do is to be successful in our calling so that when the time does come for our unconverted family and friends that we are there for them. We are to serve YAHWEH and HIS kingdom only and serve HIM with all our heart, soul and mind, All, not partially but totally and completely. We cannot have one foot in Satans kingdom and one foot in YAHWEHS kingdom.
It is impossible to legislate morality and love. The fist covenant proves that, it is the second covenant that transforms us allowing us to draw near to YAHWEH. We can’t fix anything but YAHWEH can fix everything.
We cannot place our hope and faith in anything else but YAHWEH.
It is impossible to legislate morality and love. The fist covenant proves that, it is the second covenant that transforms us allowing us to draw near to YAHWEH. We can’t fix anything but YAHWEH can fix everything.
We cannot place our hope and faith in anything else but YAHWEH.
It does not make sense that Satan is the god of this world yet YAHWEH appoints all the rulers. If our struggles are with the ruling authorities, rulers and powers of this dark evil world then is our struggle with YAHWEH or Satan ? Satan has been given by YAHWEH to appoint the rulers of this world, Satan told Jesus that all the nation were given to him, well who did that ? Adam chose Satan as his GOD when he obeyed Satan rather than GOD and this is a basic spiritual principle, Romans 6:16 and goes along with , Galatians 6:7 This is why it is YAHWEHS will that Satan is in total and complete control of this world. You and I have been called and chosen out of this world and can no longer be a part of what they do. Whatever men highly esteem YAHWEH considers an abomination. If we esteem the governments of men then what ? If we partake in the politics of men then what ? Luke 16:15 After all that YAHWEH has done for you, me and humanity HE and only HE deserves our full devotion.
I ask how can the rulers of this world be established by GOD and supposedly reflect GODS justice and righteousness when all these rulers are cut of from GOD, unconverted and without GOD ? Only the church was given to know the mysteries of GOD. 1 Corinthians 2:8 If the worlds rulers were of GOD they would all be doing GODS will. The U.S. has a government of , by and for the PEOPLE . If it were truly of GOD it would be government of GOD, by GOD and for the people. GOD has this to say about man’s ability to govern himself, Jeremiah 10:23 Proverbs 20:24 Isaiah 48:17 James 4:13,14,15 2 Corinthians 3:5 Psalm 37:23 Isaiah 41:10
Romans 13:1 This verse is taken to mean, “hey Christians, go vote” but this is not what it says. It is saying that the saints should keep the laws of the nation they happen to be in, not that they should participate in them. This is so that they might live peacefully and quietly and without evil governments causing them harm. Even Jude 1:9 informs us that the archangel Michael did not have authority over Satan but simply said the lord rebukes you. This is because Michael knew that YAHWEH appointed Satan god of this world. The world is Satans kingdom. All the governments of this world are Satans. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. 1 John 5:19 Colossians 1:13 1 John 2:15,16,17 James 4:4 Matthew 6:24 1 Corinthians 10:21 No Christian can have it both ways; being in Satans kingdom and GODS kingdom at the same time. Politics of human governments is of this world, of Satan, by the will of YAHWEH.
It is in this way that YAHWEH has established the world, HE has given it over to Satan. YAHWEH did this because it is what Adam chose for us.
Romans 13:1 This verse is taken to mean, “hey Christians, go vote” but this is not what it says. It is saying that the saints should keep the laws of the nation they happen to be in, not that they should participate in them. This is so that they might live peacefully and quietly and without evil governments causing them harm. Even Jude 1:9 informs us that the archangel Michael did not have authority over Satan but simply said the lord rebukes you. This is because Michael knew that YAHWEH appointed Satan god of this world. The world is Satans kingdom. All the governments of this world are Satans. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. 1 John 5:19 Colossians 1:13 1 John 2:15,16,17 James 4:4 Matthew 6:24 1 Corinthians 10:21 No Christian can have it both ways; being in Satans kingdom and GODS kingdom at the same time. Politics of human governments is of this world, of Satan, by the will of YAHWEH.
It is in this way that YAHWEH has established the world, HE has given it over to Satan. YAHWEH did this because it is what Adam chose for us.
Yes brother, things are getting clearer for me. I've found some other things lately which, although seeing, I didn't comprehend. I sometimes sit back after reading a certain passage for years, then God turns on a light, and I amazed that I "missed it" for years. I realize that I understood as I was taught to - by man.
Well, I can tell you for certain, it teaches me how ignorant I am. I am grateful more than ever for the convictions that I have received that have changed my life. Even though I found it disturbing, I now realize that it set me free as well.
It also set my learning time back to the beginning.
Outcast, I have been in Christ now for over 30 years and along with the brethren I fellowship with here have had many awesome experiences that I cannot even put into words. Perhaps Paul came the closest by saying, joy inexpressible. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living GOD.